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Q all do the roll up strategy. And so that was a trend at some point. And then there was also, you know, Building things in house. Oh, how are we ever going to make venture returns again? Let's build it in house. Um, what is your perspective from having that actually ingrained in the fund of all these other funds doing this and it kind of looking a little touristy?

A Well, I think that there's, I think it's, I think the thing that's underappreciated is how much your organization has to be designed intentionally to make, um, to balance this sort of dichotomy of, of starting companies and investing in them. Um, there, there's, there's definitely some overlap, but I think if you don't intentionally design the incentives, the culture, um, and even like the staffing and the The amount of capacity you have on your investing team, on your finance team, then it's very hard to do both well. Um, but it is possible for sure. It's just that it, it almost has to be like an innate thing and, or it can be by exception. Like I think there always will be ex, you know, exceptions where a firm is an incredible, you know, kind of talent pool and that Someone either gets bored being a, being a partner or, or an associate or something, or they have a really big idea and they do it by exception. Um, I think that's actually probably the second best way to do it. If you're not going to go like all in on integrating the, the incentives and, and frankly, also the, the skill sets that you need to do, you know, great investing and Company building. Um, and so I think that's the, that's the underappreciated part of me. I think most of the firms that are trying it, they have good reason to try it. They have great brands. They have tons of capital. They have insight on th…

AI assessment note: “the thing that's underappreciated is how much your organization has to be designed intentionally”

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A So we co-founded a company called Resilience, um, which is a, basically, we started it, um, in summer of twenty-twenty. So, kind of right as the pandemic was, was underway. Um, and it's a US-based CDMO. So we are a manufacturer of third party, um, you know, of other people's drugs, uh, here in the US. We have about over a thousand folks in our big flagship plant in Ohio. Um, and And so that's like, you know, that's a, that's been a really big company. We co-founded with, uh, Arch, uh, Bob Nelson at Arch, who brings like, you know, 40 plus years of biotech investing experience. Um, and so it was, it was a build company that I think is a good example of when we partner and he's, he's got more, knows more about biotech and has more connectivity than we ever will. Um, and we kind of brought, I think this sort of national, uh, security and, Um, and also just kind of like operational, you know, view of, of these types of businesses. Um, I also think there's some, the problem with, with biotech right now is just that the sentiment is very low. Um, the kind of dis, isn't it weird? Kind of despite like actual outcomes, both clinical outcomes, but also M&A. Um, I think that's because it's very hard to understand. Companies go public way too early. And so the stocks go up and if everyone's happy and interest rates are zero, and then they are the first thing people sell when they're like, …

AI assessment note: “So we co-founded a company called Resilience, um, which is a, basically”

Q It does seem that building is just in your DNA. Above all that, your team has built ABC up to what it is today. And you cover many categories from biotech to manufacturing, defense, enterprise, logistics, and you've actually also built companies internally. So how did you evolve to that state and build so many billion dollar companies?

A Really stems, I think, from the first fund we did together. We did two funds under Formation Ape, which is kind of the predecessor firm for ABC. And, you know, the first conversation I had with Joe Ever, um, who was right out of college, was, I kind of asked him, hey, you know, you're CEO of a company, CEO of Adapar at the time, which is the second company that he co-founded after Palantir. And I'm like, and you're starting a venture fund, like, how do you do that? And he was like, well, you know, VCs are pretty lazy, so, like, I'm pretty sure I can just work, like, you know, just a few more hours every day and work seven days a week, and then it won't be a problem. Um, which, which probably is true, like, VCs are lazier, like, especially once your firm's established. Building a venture fund is hard, though. Um, it takes a ton of time. Um, and so, you know, Joe then placed himself as CEO of Atabar and began, we began, you know, building it up. Um, And I think it started by the fact that when we went to raise our first fund, many of the people that were Like took a bet on us. We're betting on really Joe's entrepreneurial track record. Um, and, and maybe less, you know, he had been an incredible angel investor, but had not institutionally managed a venture fund before. Um, and so I think that was kind of the, the real ticket to the dance that we had. And we kind of kept coming up…

AI assessment note: “we kind of kept coming up with ideas for companies in addition to investing”

Q When you talk about the 30% you allocate towards build, how much of the allocation is in, you know, the initial incubation of it? Like what kind of checks are you writing into the companies and then how much of it is sectioned off for follow on?

A It's, it really varies actually. And it varies because the, what we're trying to do is we try to launch a company with as much unfair advantage as possible. Sometimes capital is an unfair advantage. Um, and sometimes getting the talent Uh, or maybe even, you know, being able to win a design partnership or something requires a, you know, more capital at the table from the beginning than, you know, if you just went and raised a C round. Um, sometimes it doesn't though. And so, you know, the initial check size for us is like, it's probably three to four million on the small side and maybe 25 to 30 or 40, Um, the bigger side. And then there have been times where we also found these companies with other firms that put capital work, whether they're strategics or they're, they're other, uh, investing firms. And in those cases, sometimes, um, you know, sometimes those first rounds are larger, but we're, we're still check size for us is. It's still usually kind of in that range.

AI assessment note: “the initial check size for us is like, it's probably three to four million”

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A I think that, like, it's, it's hard to, like, it, well, I'll use the example because we're here at Reindustrialize. So, I think capital allocation is probably something that's been under-talked about in startups for a generation because software largely had pretty obvious capital allocation frameworks. It, it, and it became much more obvious. So, even if it wasn't obvious in 2012, like, that you should think about, like, you know, your cactyl TV or whatever, like, it became very obvious very quickly. And, So there was kind of these playbooks, and I think part of the other reason that, you know, wasn't thought about all that much is because your biggest source of spend was on engineering, and then it switched to sales, and during the engineering time, you know, you don't, you know, you're just like building quickly and, you know, shipping product, and that's sort of the productivity, and, and then you get to sales, and salespeople are really managed based off how much money they bring in, so it's kind of easy to do. Um, and so, you know, it's not the most complicated capital allocation. When you're building physical infrastructure, it's totally different. Because the check sizes you have to write without any feedback or huge to build a facility. You can't build like one 1000th of it and be like, Ooh, like it's working. Like let's do more. I mean, you might be able to modularize …

AI assessment note: “you can change your capital allocation to your different sales and marketing channels.”

Q We are in a kind of wonderful period of progress, and the new administration is definitely helping with that. What other initiatives are you optimistic about right now?

A I think, I think the biggest, well, what I'd say is like, I mean, being a re-industrialist, like one thing is just, I think that patriotism is no longer like some four-letter word among like, um, maybe, maybe among like coastal elites. I mean, I don't think it really ever, like, regardless of political affiliation, I think It's like, I grew up in Iowa. I think every people would, everyone flies American flags. There's always a party you voted for. Um, but I think it, I think it became like a weird thing. I mean, it's always one of our core values on our website. So, um, to us, it never felt weird. Um, but I think it's good to have people be patriotic. Like if I could have people either be Irrationally patriotic or rationally unpatriotic. It's like, I want patriotic because we live in this country. They can't do much about it. So I'd rather have, you know, the same way I'd rather have people be irrationally optimistic than pessimistic. Um, so I'd rather fall on that. I think it's just good for the, for the country, right? I think it's just, it, it creates like sort of a levity. People feel, you know, excited and ambitious. They want to do things. Um, Um, and so that's, that's great to see from, I think, a really important set of people, which is people who are funding things and people who are, you know, deciding where they're going to work and stuff like that. Uh, and it's also…

AI assessment note: “I think that patriotism is no longer like some four-letter word”