Hayden Brown

CEO, Upwork · 0 appearances on the record.

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What the tape says about how Hayden argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Brown: Data Shows Freelancers Upskill More Frequently Than Captive Employees
“And so we also see that in the data, professional freelancers actually do more to upskill themselves constantly than captive employees do. That's just a fact.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 12:07 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown

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Everything Hayden Brown said on the Official SaaStr Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Upwork CEO: CX team is 95% freelancers with under 5% attrition
“It's 95% freelancers, and yet our attrition rate on the team is less than five percent.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 8:15 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Opinion
Upwork CEO: The Great Resignation is a permanent state
“The Great Resignation is a permanent state. That is my belief.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 4:07 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Not yet assessed · timeframe Feb 2022
Upwork CEO: 75% of Upwork's 2,000 team members are freelancers
“And today, fast forward, we're a public company. We have about 2000 team members. 75% of those team members are freelancers. They are distributed around the world. Our team is in 86 countries globally.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 6:30 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Supported
Brown: Data Shows Freelancers Upskill More Frequently Than Captive Employees
“And so we also see that in the data, professional freelancers actually do more to upskill themselves constantly than captive employees do. That's just a fact.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 12:07 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Insight
Brown: Freelancers deliver ROI in hours, whereas employees take months
“Unlike your employees, who might only be onboarded fully and delivering ROI for you after three to six months, your freelancers, you can onboard in a few hours, and they're delivering ROI for you in a few hours, which is amazing, because they are very fast and…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 16:43 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Brown: New tools will make virtual meetings superior to in-person
“I think also as we move towards the future of work, getting better and better, like all the tools that you're probably building will just make, ah, virtual, ah, meetings so much better than in person.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 20:09 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Insight
Brown: A single annual two-week in-person meetup sustains remote teams
“We have a practice where our virtual teams do get together once every year or so for a two-week agile, like, meetup where the team is, you know, in Czechoslovakia or Mexico City or somewhere, and they do have team building in person. The rest of the year, they…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 20:56 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Supported
Brown: Many Remote Workers Report Preferring Quitting Over Office Mandates
“And, ah, there's been this massive change in how workers experience work over the last year plus as so many folks have been working from home and have actually reported that they would rather quit their jobs than be called back into traditional offices, and so…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 0:22 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Brown: Upwork employs over 350 freelance developers on core products
“In fact, we have more than 350 freelancers doing remote development for us on our core mobile app, our web apps, and this has been a huge part of how we've scaled our business over many, many years.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 9:50 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Supported
Brown: Upwork launched three product lines in 12 months using freelancers
“When I became the CEO of our company in January of last year, I had a very audacious goal for us to go from being a single product company to having four products, and it was our remote development team that included so many of these freelance developers that …”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 10:24 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Upwork Rebranded 900 Assets in Half the Time Using Freelancers
“Last year, we set the goal of rebranding and changing a bunch of our, ah, marketing assets, doing a big launch. We did this in about half the time, changing 900 assets in our company. So much faster than we would have been able to do with just an in-house team…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 12:34 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Insight
Brown: Company culture is defined by daily decisions, rewards, and punishments
“I think a lot of companies had this idea before the pandemic that their culture was like kombucha on tap and posters on the walls, and I think we've hopefully all learned that culture is so much more than that. It's like the decisions we're making every day. I…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 20:33 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Disclosure
Brown: Upwork pays freelancers to take company-wide days off
“We've been doing charge up days, which is a day off for the company, or two days off for the whole company, we pay the freelancers to also take that time off.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 21:33 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Insight
Brown: Hiring Freelancers Forces Companies to Clarify Goals Before Deploying Headcount
“Bringing freelancers in forces that clarity and has forced us to really get good at understanding for every effort, like, what are we trying to achieve? If we can articulate that first, then we need to pause and not just start putting bodies against the effort…”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 23:09 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown
Assertion Supported
Brown: 20M Americans joined the freelance workforce in 2020
“In twenty-twenty, we saw twenty million Americans join the freelance workforce.”
Hayden Brown Feb 24, 2022 ▶ 4:11 The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Hayden Brown

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The Secrets to Scaling a Public Company with a 75% Freelancer Workforce with Upwork CEO Ha Feb 24, 2022 26m aired address
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