May 22, 2019 · 28m · saastr
The Top 5 Questions Every CEO Wrestles With - Lessons From Dave Kellogg
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Veteran software executive Dave Kellogg presents a strategic guide for startup founders, analyzing the five perpetual dilemmas CEOs face regarding fundraising, talent evaluation, board governance, competition, and organizational focus.
How this conversation actually went
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Jason as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 2.1 Jason pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Jason, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:55 Pushing back on the conventional Silicon Valley vision-only dogma
Kellogg rejects the common advice to ignore competitors, directly critiquing Marc Benioff's framing and calling for concrete plans to counter rival firms.
Hardest push from Jason ▶ 0:00 No host pushback in solo keynoteThis episode is an uninterrupted solo keynote presentation by Dave Kellogg; no host pushback occurs.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 15:20 Masterclass in handling executive infightingKellogg educates the audience on managing warring executives by treating continued infighting as fireable insubordination.
Jason holds their own ▶ 0:00 No host dialogueThe presentation is a solo address without an active interviewer to demonstrate host-side expertise.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Jason as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Jason pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Overview of the Five Perpetual Startup CEO Questions | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | This is a solo presentation monologue by Dave Kellogg outlining the five perpetual questions startup CEOs face. Because there is no active host dialogue, host metrics are scored at zero. | |
| Question One: Strategic Fundraising and Capital Management | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | Kellogg provides advice on raising capital every two years, building driver-based SaaS models, and confronting VC arms races. The format remains an uninterrupted solo keynote. | |
| Question Two: Evaluating Team Dynamics and Talent | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | Kellogg details executive team evaluation, zero-tolerance policies for warring executives, and understanding board perspectives on executive sell-by dates. | |
| Question Three: Proactively Managing the Board of Directors | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Kellogg discusses proactive board governance tactics, such as putting idle board members to work to avoid micro-management and unproductive pattern-matching. | |
| Question Four: Navigating Competition and Organizational Drivenness | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | Kellogg disputes Silicon Valley dogma about ignoring competitors, contrasting Marc Benioff's aphorisms with practical Sun Tzu competitive strategy and multi-dimensional drivenness. | |
| Question Five: Balancing Cosmic Vision with Focused Execution | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | Kellogg explains how to balance big cosmic vision with tightly focused execution, citing early expansion examples from Amazon and Facebook. | |
| Bonus Question: Aligning on What Winning Means | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Kellogg closes by examining the bonus question of defining winning to ensure alignment between founders and boards, concluding with Peter Drucker's distinction between management and leadership. |
Statements from this episode (17)
Employees who excel at one startup phase may fail in the next
“Some people are good at different phases of the company. That, that's a reality we must deal with, and just because someone was a right member of the team last year, doesn't mean they're a right member of the team next year.”
Asking a board what to do next quarter gets a CEO fired
“First, you're working for a committee, not a person, and second, if you ever went to that committee going, gosh, I wonder what we should do next quarter, right? They would look at you and say, I think you should help us find a new CEO, right? Because you're su…”
Dave Kellogg: CEOs must separate company vision from operating strategy
“We need to separate kind of vision, which is kind of an end state goal for the company, from strategy, which is kind of a systematic path to get there.”
Choosing top-tier venture firms over unknown equivalents eases future fundraising
“All other things being equal in a financing round, you can have somebody who's very nice and very smart from a no-name firm, or somebody who is equivalent from a big-name firm, your future fundraising will be much easier if you pick the second person.”
Startups should aim to raise venture funding approximately every two years
“If you step back and take a more kind of macro view on it, you should try to raise money about every two years.”
Divide a startup's funding round by 8 to 10 to calculate burn
“One interesting thing about this phenomenon is you can often take the size of somebody's round and divide it by eight to 10 and get a pretty good approximation of their burn rate.”
Horizontal SaaS startups facing heavily funded rivals must out-raise them or pivot
“If you're in some horizontal platform category, people may throw hundreds of millions, maybe even billions, of VC at the category. And you don't get to not play. So, if you find yourself in this situation, it's probably a sign that you're in a really good cate…”
A CEO dreading a one-on-one meeting is a major executive warning sign
“That's how you lose interest in meeting with a direct report, and I view the non-desire to meet with one as a huge warning sign that you should expect.”
CEOs must quickly eliminate executive team infighting and warring princes
“And if you're CEO of the company, you cannot allow warring princes in your company. Everybody sees it. The whole company knows if two E staffers are at war.”
Startup boards expect CEOs to hire executives more experienced than themselves
“What the board wants is for you to be a little bit uncomfortable with your team. The board wants you to be challenged by your team, right? The board wants you to hire people, quote unquote, better than you, or more experienced than you. Why? Because by and lar…”
Unchanneled venture capital board members will pattern-match a startup to death
“And one of the things VCs do is pattern match, and if you don't channel their energy, you are likely to be pattern matched to death.”
Financially focused VC board members care exclusively about numbers and people
“The more financial, i.e. Less operational they are, the more they care about two things, numbers and people.”
Sending startup board slides under 24 hours in advance looks terrible
“If you're getting the board slides out 24 hours or less before the board meeting, you're not looking good, almost regardless.”
CEOs must proactively assign board members work or risk unhelpful meddling
“If I'm not keeping the board busy, Helping me drive the company, they are going to come in with ideas and ways to help that I may not find helpful.”
Debates over being product- or sales-driven are purely internal company politics
“The last three I just exclude is politics, period. Because what you're saying is you want your function to be more important than the other function.”
Startups must be publicly vision-driven, culturally customer-driven, and strategically competitor-driven
“Avoid this fake either or framing, which is you need to speak like you're vision driven. So when you're talking to customers and analysts, the markets, talk about the desired end state. Talk about the vision. Don't talk about competition. When you're building …”