Martha Stewart

“I honestly think I look at all the criticism about female leaders who are cruel or vile or tough, like, that can be true. It's also true that they're, it's more upsetting to people When a woman acts that way than a man acts that way. So it doesn't. Is that tru…”

“Oprah and Martha were in a similar cohort, but Martha did products. Oprah never did products. And so Martha went from content to commerce. And I think that was like one of the first content to commerce brands of the modern generation.”