foundation model

also referred to as: foundation models

8 statements across 8 episodes · 2 bullish · 3 bearish · 5 people on the record · first statement Jun 14, 2024 by Vinod Khosla · across every show →

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Jun 14, 2024 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Khosla: Small models will never substitute for large, human-level AI models
“If you want human level intelligence from model, it'll be a big model, and there'll be a couple of them around. Some better than others, some a year or two ahead of others, but I don't think small models substitute for big models, but they do some things reall…”
Vinod Khosla Jun 14, 2024 ▶ 6:03 #51: Vinod Khosla on What to Build in AI · More or Less Podcast
Jun 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Partly supported
Gil: Foundation model funding is mostly strategic hyperscalers, not VC
“Most of the money funding foundation models is strategic, right? Versus venture capital. Venture capital maybe funds things into the hundreds of millions, and then it gets handed off to Google and Amazon and Facebook and all the other folks to invest billions …”
Elad Gil Jun 21, 2024 ▶ 9:23 #52: Elad Gil on What to Build in AI (Part II) · More or Less Podcast
Jul 26, 2024 bearish
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Sam Lessin: Selling Proprietary AI Foundation Models Won't Be Profitable Long-Term
“So if you're slightly better at X, fine. You can make a tiny bit of money for six months being slightly better at X. There's just no way there's actually money in that business long-term.”
Sam Lessin Jul 26, 2024 ▶ 20:10 #57: Zuckerberg’s Open Source AI Manifesto · More or Less Podcast
May 2, 2025 bearish
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Benchmark's Vishria: Foundation model companies making $100M revenue will fail
“But Eric Vistria from Benchmark, who you guys know well, was saying, like, even in the foundation models, a huge chunk of them aren't going to make it. Like, we are going to see companies that today have a hundred million dollars in revenue, like, just go away…”
Jessica Lessin May 2, 2025 ▶ 2:51 How OpenAI Is Beating Google and Meta at Their Own Game · More or Less Podcast
May 23, 2025 bearish
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Lessin: Foundation AI models will not become good, sustainable businesses
“Like I've actually come out of this exercise more cynical even than I was a month ago. Right. Or even a few weeks ago that any of these are going to be good, sustainable businesses, despite the fact it's clearly going to be everywhere in the air.”
Sam Lessin May 23, 2025 ▶ 32:42 OpenAI Teams Up with Jony Ive, Vibe Coding, Gemini, and More | More or Less #100 · More or Less Podcast
Aug 22, 2025 neutral
Opinion
Dave Morin: Only three foundation AI models have any reasonable size
“There's three foundation models of any reasonable size.”
Dave Morin Aug 22, 2025 ▶ 7:50 #113 GPT-5 Disappoints: The End of the AI Gold Rush? · More or Less Podcast
Nov 21, 2025 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lessin: AI foundation models will have zero technical differentiation
“There's no, there's going to be no technical differentiation in these foundation models, right? Unless something crazy happens, but like, you're just gonna have a bunch of models that are quite good, in which case you're competing for attention.”
Sam Lessin Nov 21, 2025 ▶ 24:59 Google Just Won AI, TikTok’s “Self-Control Badges”, ChatGPT Enters Group Chats · More or Less Podcast
Feb 20, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Morin: Real AI Value Will Lie in Orchestration, Not Commodity Tokens
“The underlying tokens Probably can come from anywhere and how much margin there is in that business over time probably does look a lot like power, like Sam's talking about. And the real value is going to be in the orchestration.”
Dave Morin Feb 20, 2026 ▶ 53:01 OpenClaw vs Meta vs OpenAI: The Personal Agent Wars Heat Up · More or Less Podcast
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