Meta
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182 statements across 84 episodes · 46 bullish · 75 bearish · 7 people on the record · first statement Jun 12, 2023 by Dave Morin · across every show →
Everything said about Meta, oldest first
Jun 12, 2023
Jul 7, 2023 neutral
Jul 7, 2023 neutral
Jul 7, 2023 bearish
Jul 7, 2023 negative
Jul 7, 2023 bullish
Jul 7, 2023 bullish
Jul 7, 2023 positive
Jul 7, 2023 bullish
Morin: Mainstream audience will be on Threads within three years
“I think that the mainstream audience is going to be on threads and it's going to be powerful. And so I think to Sam's point, that distribution, Advantage can't be ignored and it will be very powerful three years from now, no question.”
Aug 25, 2023 neutral
Aug 25, 2023 neutral
Sep 22, 2023 neutral
Sep 29, 2023 negative
Sep 29, 2023 bearish
Sam Lessin: Character AI will be displaced by platform incumbents
“Character AI, sayonara. Like, it's not like, you know, it's, these are cool ideas, but the reality is you have the data, you have the distribution. AI is an easy tack on for platforms. This is not disruptive. It's just extending what they can already do.”
Oct 20, 2023 negative
Oct 27, 2023 bearish
Oct 27, 2023 positive
Nov 3, 2023
Nov 10, 2023 negative
Nov 17, 2023
Jessica Lessin: Big Tech agreed to alert government when training AI models
“Meanwhile, Secretary Raimondo is telling me that all the big tech companies, OpenAI, Meta, Google, and so forth, are cooperating, are, and down to the level of agreeing to tell the government when they're running their next model.”
Nov 22, 2023 positive
Morin defends Adam D'Angelo as highly rational and principled
“Adam is one of the highest integrity people that I've ever worked with. He's a very principled person and he you know, he's a very deliberate, very rational very serious actor. He's a very serious person, and so it does bother me a little bit that there's a lo…”
Dec 1, 2023 positive
Lessin: If Facebook had acquired the DMV, online identity would be better
“And candidly, I think had Facebook bought the DMV a long time ago, you know, the world would be a better place. We'd have better, better online identity. And, ah, and maybe we'd be a little bit safer from some of the crazy interference we see, ah, these days i…”
Dec 8, 2023 positive
Sam Lessin: Crypto is a business development hack against platform lock-in
“Part of the real answer for crypto for those types of use cases is I think pretty simple, which is everyone wants to be the CRM of record for that, but no one wants that person to be the CRM of record for that, right? So it's basically just like a standoff whe…”
Dec 15, 2023 neutral
Dave Morin: Fragmented internet subcultures perpetually disrupt top-down corporate alignment
“As the internet has kind of become like, I think we can safely say in 20, 24, the internet has become culture worldwide. Like you have this, Splintering of cultures, right? Where every person in an organization pays attention to a different sub graph of some c…”
Jan 19, 2024
Jan 19, 2024 bullish
Mar 22, 2024 bearish
Sam Lessin: AI startup talent will recombine into Big Tech within years
“If you believe, as I do, that all the value is going to accrue to the top five players anyway, what you'd expect is that, like, on some non-zero timeline, but in the next few years, all the talent that got excited about these startup opportunities and went fly…”
Apr 19, 2024 bearish
Apr 19, 2024 positive
Apr 19, 2024 bearish
Apr 26, 2024 neutral
Sam Lessin: Incumbents Will Dominate AI Features Via Existing Distribution
“It's nice to be 10% better at those prompts, but that's not what's going to dominate. It's just like whatever they choose to put in there is what's going to dominate, right? Like no one's going to like change, no one's going to not use LinkedIn because some up…”
Apr 26, 2024
Sam Lessin: Facebook Forced Me to Sign Non-Compete Over Venmo
“When I went and worked at Facebook on the way in, one senior executive reviewed all my investments and told me which ones I had to divest from. Interestingly, path was fine at the time, but Venmo was a big problem. And then, yeah, believe it or not, I had to s…”
May 24, 2024 bearish
Lessin: Big tech platforms will capture AI value while startups die
“If you have a big platform that gets better with better targeting or copy, you're great. You know, the meds of the world, the Google, you're going to do fabulous. As long as you get the cost of the stuff down, you're in business. You're going to do great. You'…”
May 24, 2024
Lessin: Tech value comes from market timing, not copying sci-fi
“The job of technologists is not to just simply read science fiction and say, well, that's cool. Let's build that. That's easy, right? Like science fiction goes way out in the future, has cool ideas, And the JV version of product management or building is you'r…”
May 24, 2024 positive
Morin: Zuckerberg coined "move fast" so engineers wouldn't fear breaking Facebook
“And it was a lot about, we had actually just had an engineer that took down the entire site, and the engineer was feeling absolutely terrible because the, you know, the change he made in the code caused us to lose some ad revenue that day. And Mark was looking…”
May 24, 2024 negative
Jun 7, 2024 negative
Jun 7, 2024 bearish
Dave Morin: Instagram Is a Declining Asset Meta Is Merely Harvesting
“You know, which to me suggests that this asset is, is now a declining asset. Like they're now in a position where they want to just harvest it, monetize it as much as possible while moving on to the next thing, which is probably threads fine.”
Jun 21, 2024 bullish
Lessin: Meta Will Realize Long-Term Value from Current AI Models
“Well, to be clear, I think we're going to see the value of it showing up in, like, meta earnings for a long time to come, which is incrementally what already exists, and, like, translation. There's a bunch of stuff that's, like, super valuable.”
Jun 21, 2024 neutral
Gil: Foundation model funding is mostly strategic hyperscalers, not VC
“Most of the money funding foundation models is strategic, right? Versus venture capital. Venture capital maybe funds things into the hundreds of millions, and then it gets handed off to Google and Amazon and Facebook and all the other folks to invest billions …”
Jun 21, 2024 negative
Morin: Steve Jobs Warned in 2008 That Facebook Would Become Like Cigarettes
“Dave and I both worked at Apple back in the day, and I remember the town hall that Steve spoke at in like, oh, seven, oh, eight, where he specifically pointed out that Facebook was going to be seeing the equivalent of cigarettes, and like how prescient was tha…”
Jun 28, 2024 negative
Jul 19, 2024 bullish
Jul 26, 2024 neutral
Jessica Lessin: Biden's Withdrawal Sparked Internal Meta Debate Over Threads
“The Threads No Politics policy hitting some internal debate, so we don't have to go deep into Threads, but we've talked at length about both how it kind of emerged as this breath of fresh air from the fierce debates on X, Especially around politics, and its wh…”
Jul 26, 2024
Sam Lessin: Mid-Sized Tech Companies Cannot Band Together to Compete in AI
“The problem is you just have this power law of costs where, you know, you can't band a bunch of ten billion dollar companies together to compete with a trillion dollar company in this. You need a trillion dollar company To throw their hat in the ring, and then…”
Jul 26, 2024 negative
Sam Lessin: Meta's Lack of a Simple Llama API Is a Strategic Mistake
“And like, the thing about LOM or anything is like, there just doesn't exist. Like someone will package that eventually, but like, they don't prioritize that. I actually think it's a strategic mistake. I think they should, purely for developer mindshare, not as…”
Jul 26, 2024 negative
Jul 26, 2024 neutral
Jul 26, 2024 negative
Dave Morin: Meta Cannot Be Taken Seriously as an Open-Source Advocate
“I think it's very hard to take meta seriously when they talk about open source, because they are a highly centralized system. That controls the rents that get paid to every single player in their ecosystem. And so when Meta says something like, we really belie…”
Jul 26, 2024 bullish
Jul 26, 2024 neutral
Dave Morin: Facebook Briefly Hosted Startup Servers via 'The Grid'
“And it goes back to actually when I was working on the Facebook platform, we had a project back then that we called the grid and we were actually going to, we actually did for a hot minute right after we launched the platform provide server Resources to startu…”
Aug 2, 2024 neutral
Aug 2, 2024 negative
Aug 2, 2024 neutral
Aug 9, 2024 bullish
Aug 16, 2024 positive
Sam Lessin: Meta's post-COVID culture and performance have worked effectively
“It seems like Meta is performing really well, right? Like, it seems like they've got, you know, their ass in gear on a lot of stuff, not everything, but like a lot of stuff, you know, post COVID and like, you know, Mark set a tone and the organization set a to…”
Aug 23, 2024 bullish
Aug 30, 2024 bullish
Sam Lessin: Only Big Tech or crypto protocols can defend online speech
“Because I do think that in the end of the day, we're going to rely upon Facebook, Apple, and Google to defend free speech on the internet, right? Because they're the only ones powerful enough, or crypto, or it's like a crypto decentralized thing.”
Sep 6, 2024 neutral
Lessin: Facebook alternated organizational structures every few years
“At Facebook when I was there, You know, we kept switching between a functional design, right, where like PMs report to PMs all the way through up, and like product groups. We say, okay, this product cluster all reports through this person. And the basic conclu…”
Sep 13, 2024 negative
Dave Morin: Facebook's 2017 algorithm change destroyed digital media ad models
“Facebook just like changed the algorithm overnight in 2017 and effectively destroyed the entire media business because the, their advertising models collapsed overnight. Like they could no longer fulfill the insertion orders.”
Sep 20, 2024 positive
Dave Morin: Default-private teen accounts will hurt Instagram's engagement metrics
“Changing the default is a huge deal. And I can't think of another technology company that is willingly, or perhaps under some pressure here, changed the default. It's something that actually really will, you know, influence the metrics. Perhaps damage the busi…”
Sep 20, 2024 negative
Sep 27, 2024 negative
Sep 27, 2024 bearish
Oct 18, 2024 neutral
Oct 25, 2024 bullish
Sam Lessin: 2024 Makes It Hard Not to Be Bullish on Meta
“It's hard to not say that this is a year that Apple, to be less bullish on Apple, not more bullish on Apple, and shockingly more bullish on Mark and what's going on at Meta in terms of being like, oh my God, did these guys actually start producing hardware”
Oct 25, 2024 bearish
Sam Lessin: Meta Will Not Release Its Orion AR Glasses Anytime Soon
“By all accounts, I've heard Orion's amazing, but they're not going to release it any time. Like, there's no, Device coming. It's going to be a long time on the burn, and I think it's a totally different story in terms of what the progression is there.”
Oct 25, 2024 bullish
Morin: Ray-Ban Meta is the breakout tech product of 2024
“Like, they're definitely the breakout product. I, I'll keep saying this. I think it's the breakout tech product of the year, and it's starting to show a future where what is on your face is actually a really serious platform, and I think that that's the thing …”
Nov 1, 2024 bearish
Nov 1, 2024 bearish
Nov 1, 2024 bearish
Nov 1, 2024 positive
Brit Morin: YouTube's $50B revenue makes it bigger than Netflix's $37B
“Did you guys see that YouTube within Google's earnings is actually now is a fifty billion dollar revenue generating company, which if you don't count Meta as a media company makes YouTube kind of the number one and Netflix now is, is thirty seven billion at nu…”
Nov 15, 2024 neutral
Nov 15, 2024 neutral
Dave Morin: Zuckerberg's public pop culture stunts are driven by Facebook data
“All you have to do is look at Facebook's data set to know that like these types of pop culture moves are what drives engagement, right? Like MMA drives engagement. It just elected the president, like these types of things. T-Pain is having a huge resurgence in…”
Nov 15, 2024 positive
Dec 6, 2024 negative
Levie: FTC scrutiny is hyper-targeted at just four or five Big Tech firms
“I think if you look at the actual track record it, you know, this is probably, you know, unfortunately, a negative on, on the FTC environment, but it does seem hyper targeted at four or five companies. You know, Splunk was acquired for thirty billion dollars b…”
Dec 6, 2024 positive
Levie: Restricting tech M&A halts the full cycle of innovation
“I probably favor more allowance for M&A to happen. I think there's been some kind of, you know, dubious cases around, you know, why can't iRobot get, get bought by Amazon? Why can't Facebook buy Meta, buy, buy the Giphy or whatever, the 50 person VR company? L…”
Dec 6, 2024 bearish
Levie: Google is the most threatened Big Tech company by AI
“Google is, is in, you know, singularly the trickiest spot, I think of the big tech players. Cause you know, this is not particularly disruptive to Meta. It's basically all upside. It's all kind of like an adjacent side business to AWS and Amazon. It's all net …”
Dec 13, 2024 bearish
Lessin: Banning TikTok could ultimately backfire on Meta globally
“If we ban tick tock, which by the way, I've been on record for 18 months saying is a completely obvious thing to do. The one on one version is that's good for same. Dave Morin: Couldn't agree more. Sam Lessin: The one on one version is good for Facebook becaus…”
Dec 20, 2024 bullish
Dec 20, 2024 bearish
Dave Morin: Meta is not an AI leader and nobody uses its products
“Meta, like, you know, I think it's actually pretty hard to say that Meta is a AI leader. Nobody's using the AI products that Meta is shipping. Like, they are not used they are using AI infrastructure to deliver their advertising business.”
Dec 27, 2024 bearish
Jan 10, 2025 positive
Jan 10, 2025 bearish
Brit Morin: Meta community moderation is unlikely to work well
“Like I just find it implausible that this is going to work well. And I know that, you know, even if one percent of content gets falsely moderated by all these systems that were set up, I'm not sure that the community moderation is going to prove to be much bet…”
Jan 10, 2025 neutral
Jan 10, 2025
Jan 10, 2025 negative
Sam Lessin: Centralized social network fact-checking is impossible at scale and dangerous
“The idea that a centralized platform, a centralized social network, Would be in the business of fact checking was always one of the most dangerous and worst ideas imaginable. And I was very unhappy when the company went in that direction over time because it's…”
Jan 10, 2025 positive
Jan 10, 2025 positive
Lessin: Meta's rollback of content moderation is fundamentally the right decision
“I actually think from a first principles perspective, this is the right thing to do, and it has been for a long time. It was a mistake to go down moderation in the first place. And this is an incredibly opportunistic moment where, oh my God, it's actually poss…”
Jan 10, 2025 neutral
Lessin: Meta, Amazon, Apple, and Musk are aligning with Trump
“Clearly Meta and Amazon and Apple, to a lesser degree, Google, Definitely Empire Elon are all quite in alignment with Trump, right? And I think, like, have decided to really, like, lean in in every way to this administration from, like, you know, the money the…”
Jan 17, 2025 bearish
Jan 17, 2025 neutral
Jan 31, 2025 bullish
Morin: DeepSeek validates Meta's open-source strategy by feeding advances back
“This DeepSeek thing is exactly what we were talking about, that by releasing Llama, you know, DeepSeek surely used it, and many others, sounds like, and the fruits of that win come back to Meta, like, overnight, right? And they can plug it back in and make mor…”
Jan 31, 2025 bullish
Sam Lessin: Meta is in a perfectly hedged win-win position in AI
“For me, the meta story is it's like in the perfect position. They have no liability around this stuff because they're not Google. They have no search business. Like they don't like, they have the perfect use case for AI, right? Which is Optimizing ads and atte…”
Feb 21, 2025 neutral
Sam Lessin: Meta Engineered Smart Glasses to Brick If Recording LED Disabled
“They spent so much time trying to figure out how to engineer it so that it would brick it if you try to disable that LED for exactly that reason. Like it's a wild, the amount of engineering that went into that, like, make sure the LED cannot be disabled for ex…”
Feb 21, 2025 bullish
Feb 28, 2025 bearish
Feb 28, 2025 neutral
Feb 28, 2025 bullish
Mar 14, 2025 negative
Mar 28, 2025 neutral
Jessica Lessin: Meta CMO temporarily relocated to D.C. for antitrust trial testimony
“We published a story recently about that sort of got some documents on the number of hours all the meta executives are expected to testify in the upcoming trial, and the CMO is temporarily moving to DC because of it”
Apr 4, 2025 neutral
Apr 4, 2025 bullish
Apr 4, 2025 bearish
Lessin: Ex-Facebook executives join OpenAI chasing growth highs, not business quality
“So there's a pattern matching of all these exacts informed people going over there, which has absolutely nothing to do with like actually the quality of the business. Right. But it's purely about chasing that experience again at all costs, which is why you see…”
Apr 4, 2025 positive
Apr 25, 2025 bearish
Apr 25, 2025
May 2, 2025 neutral
May 30, 2025 negative
Morin: Parental controls on major platforms are rife with dark patterns
“The fact that, like, these parental controls are all rife with dark patterns to me is, like, an actual crime, and that you should be able to actually control these things and protect kids from them, but most of them you cannot.”
May 30, 2025 negative
Sam Lessin: OS is the obvious place for age enforcement, not apps
“Obviously the OS is the place to do this enforcement. If you care about it, it's one of those things. I've always found it fascinating that Apple and the community was able to like, put the blank, put the finger on Facebook or Google or Snapchat or whatever, w…”
May 30, 2025 neutral
Sam Lessin: The internet pulls everything toward entertainment over identity
“One is between like engagement and the, on the engagement side, just for pure entertainment, you don't care what's real, right? Versus truth and information where the network and who's saying things and sources really matter. And it just turns out the internet…”
Jun 13, 2025 positive
Jun 13, 2025 negative
Jun 13, 2025 neutral
Jun 20, 2025 bearish
Jun 20, 2025 bearish
Jun 20, 2025 neutral
Jul 4, 2025 bearish
Jul 4, 2025 neutral
Jul 18, 2025 negative
Dave Morin: Meta lacks a consumer AI product to compete with ChatGPT
“I think that's the real question here is that can they build a product that can compete? Cause right now they don't have one. And so they have to figure out how to use yesterday's ad dollars to fund the creation of a new product.”
Jul 18, 2025 bearish
Sam Lessin: Advertising profits come from demand creation, not search fulfillment
“The money is made on the like, oh shit, you want some like, you convincing someone they want something. Right? Putting something they didn't know they want in front of them, right? And so I think this is, like, the big thing is, like, I'm not saying these thin…”
Jul 25, 2025 positive
Sam Lessin: AI threatens Google's core business, but not Apple's
“His core business isn't threatened. Like, Google has to put chips down because, like, their core business is, like, too threatened. Meta has to put chips down, one, because Mark is just, like, hyper-competitive and cares about this. And because, like, they hav…”
Jul 25, 2025 bearish
Sam Lessin: Google and Meta will beat OpenAI using their cash engines
“And like, that's why I think ultimately, like, the people like Google and Facebook do win, because like, they have a money making machine that regenerates the money. And so the money is free for them. Whereas like, if you're open AI, and you have to raise it, …”
Aug 1, 2025 neutral
Sam Lessin says individual AI researchers are receiving billion-dollar compensation packages
“The thing that's interesting, I think, in this moment is we basically see people for the first time ever on pace to earn a billion dollars, right? And actually be paid it in like the board and shareholders approved paying you a billion dollars as an employee, …”
Aug 1, 2025 bearish
Aug 1, 2025 bearish
Aug 1, 2025 bullish
Aug 29, 2025 positive
Sep 6, 2025 neutral
Sep 19, 2025 positive
Oct 10, 2025 neutral
Oct 10, 2025 negative
Oct 10, 2025 neutral
Oct 24, 2025 neutral
Sam Lessin: Meta Can Absorb AI Capex Failure; OpenAI and NVIDIA Cannot
“Like, I'd argue the cost for meta of belief isn't that high. No one really cares. They can fork over a few years of cash flow, right? Like, investors will look the other way. They'll kind of be like an Oculus. They'll be mad for a minute, but get over it, righ…”
Nov 7, 2025 neutral
Nov 14, 2025 bearish
Nov 21, 2025 negative
Morin: Shocking Meta did not introduce AI group chats before OpenAI
“And I kind of look at this and I'm like, I think I said this on a previous pod that like this was by far the most obvious thing to do in social with AI. And it's like absolutely shocking to me that Meta did not do this first because it's like really, really ob…”
Nov 28, 2025 negative
Nov 28, 2025 neutral
Nov 28, 2025 bullish
Lessin: Meta is the easiest AI investment because it lacks downside
“I've always said that if you want to invest in the AI narrative, the easiest bet in the world is meta, because it's all upside, no downside. I stand by that. You know, I think that's continue to continue to be the case. And like, that doesn't even matter if th…”
Dec 5, 2025 neutral
Dec 5, 2025 neutral
Dec 5, 2025 positive
Dec 19, 2025 bullish
Feb 20, 2026 neutral
Feb 20, 2026 neutral
Lessin: Meta glasses team wants feminine styles but faces hardware constraints
“Well, I, I've had conversations with the team working on the glasses about, like, more feminine form factors and styles. I think they're working. They want to just have a broader range. The electronics, though, are the size they are.”
Feb 20, 2026 negative
Mar 20, 2026 negative
Mar 20, 2026 negative
Apr 17, 2026 negative
Apr 24, 2026 negative
May 1, 2026 negative
Jessica Lessin reports Meta's Manus acquisition was unwound after Chinese government intervention
“And of course they interfered and they did quick soon after in terms of sort of challenging the deal, calling back some of the key team to China. So they were in clear integration limbo, and now the deal is off, and they're sort of unwinding it, but.”
May 8, 2026 neutral
May 8, 2026 neutral
May 15, 2026 bearish
May 15, 2026 negative
Jun 19, 2026 negative
Jun 26, 2026 negative
Jun 26, 2026 bearish
Jun 26, 2026 bullish
Jun 26, 2026 neutral
Jun 26, 2026 bullish
Jul 10, 2026 neutral
Jul 10, 2026 negative
Jul 31, 2026 positive
Jul 31, 2026 neutral
Jul 31, 2026 neutral
Aug 14, 2026
Aug 14, 2026 bearish
Wolfe: AI infrastructure debt has a dangerous duration mismatch
“And then you have like duration mismatch between like the hard assets and the financing. So like the chip, depending if you look at meta or Amazon debate, whether it's a three year or five year depreciation, but it's, you know, called three, the debt, Amortize…”
Aug 21, 2026 bearish
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Apple easily deflects child safety and age verification blame onto Meta
“On the kids stuff, they get to blame. I mean, the stuff like the, like, age verification stuff will be It's so easy for them to do, but somehow it's Facebook's problem. Like, they're pretty good at pushing off blame to others.”
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Parents have no chance competing against big tech's massive cloud compute infrastructure
“These clouds, I mean, I don't think Meta publishes it or Google publishes it, but my guess is that it's around ten million computers in like these clouds globally, if not tens of millions, and no one brain has any chance. Parents have absolutely no chance. And…”
Aug 28, 2026 neutral
Aug 28, 2026 negative
Aug 28, 2026 neutral