DeepSeek

also referred to as: deep seek

11 statements across 3 episodes · 3 bullish · 5 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Jan 31, 2025 by Sam Lessin · across every show →

Everything said about DeepSeek, oldest first

Jan 31, 2025 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sam Lessin: DeepSeek made massive profits from an Nvidia trade
“They made so much money on their Nvidia trade. It doesn't, it's irrelevant.”
Sam Lessin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 56:03 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Morin: US markets erased $1 trillion taking DeepSeek's claims at face value
“And the American markets To, I think, at least some of our surprise, take these claims at face value, and summarily lose one trillion dollars.”
Dave Morin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 17:48 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jessica Lessin: DeepSeek is losing a ton of money, just less than rivals
“So, like, they are losing a ton of money, but they're just losing a little bit less money than everyone else is losing.”
Jessica Lessin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 55:54 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Morin: DeepSeek validates Meta's open-source strategy by feeding advances back
“This DeepSeek thing is exactly what we were talking about, that by releasing Llama, you know, DeepSeek surely used it, and many others, sounds like, and the fruits of that win come back to Meta, like, overnight, right? And they can plug it back in and make mor…”
Dave Morin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 51:49 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Sam Lessin: DeepSeek indicates AI commoditization, destroying hyperscaler capital moats
“The problem with DeepSeek is it indicates a direction towards total commoditization, which means that your flaming money defense does not work, right? And it will just be everywhere.”
Sam Lessin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 48:55 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Morin: DeepSeek's paper unifies fine-tuning and optimization in one RL equation
“They do have this one part of one of the papers that talks about a unified paradigm around reinforcement learning, which is pretty cool. They've got a Very beautiful piece of math that kind of brings together all these different fine tuning and optimization te…”
Dave Morin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 56:16 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Sam Lessin: DeepSeek was created by an algorithmic hedge fund
“It's entertaining because the people who made it run an algorithmic hedge fund.”
Sam Lessin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 15:16 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 bearish
Opinion
Sam Lessin: AI valuations are fragile because they rely on AGI narratives
“The value of AI is AGI meme-y. Like, it's not, like, it loses a show of money, but it's, like, it's okay, because, like, AGI, right? It's very memetically driven. But the problem is that, like, it's a very binary zero or infinity value, and so it's extremely s…”
Sam Lessin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 21:19 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Jan 31, 2025 negative
Opinion
Morin: China proved it can damage the US economy with a press release
“So China's been proven to be able to release the exact right press release that can, you know, damage the world, damage the American economy.”
Dave Morin Jan 31, 2025 ▶ 18:48 #84: China's DeepSeek Shakes the Tech World · More or Less Podcast
Mar 7, 2025 negative
Assertion Contradicted
Sam Lessin: Nvidia lost $600M in market cap post-DeepSeek
“Our guess was 10%, and we guessed three hundred million. It was actually closer to six hundred million.”
Sam Lessin Mar 7, 2025 ▶ 5:10 #89: America’s Crypto Reserve, Nvidia’s $600M Hit & Digg’s Comeback · More or Less Podcast
Apr 11, 2025 neutral
Assertion Contradicted
Lessin: Enterprises are pausing AI spend increases due to DeepSeek efficiency
“We've done a lot of reporting at the information about businesses that sort of say, you know, we're not increasing our spend right now because we're getting efficiency gains from deep seek and all these other models.”
Jessica Lessin Apr 11, 2025 ▶ 24:05 Why Elon Musk May Be Pulling Back from Washington (with Joanna Coles) | More or Less #94 · More or Less Podcast
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