scaling laws

also referred to as: scaling law

10 statements across 9 episodes · 7 bullish · 1 bearish · 9 people on the record · first statement Mar 14, 2024 by Mikey Shulman · across every show →

Everything said about scaling laws, oldest first

Mar 14, 2024
Insight
Shulman: Understanding of music scaling laws is far behind text
“I don't think we know these things nearly as well as they're known in text. We have some notions of some of the scaling laws here, but I think yeah, we're just so, so far behind.”
Mikey Shulman Mar 14, 2024 ▶ 8:28 Making Transformers Sing - with Mikey Shulman of Suno
Jun 25, 2024 positive
Insight
Albrecht: Cost-aware tuning reveals scaling laws for all hyperparameters
“So by doing that, we can see the scaling laws or not just, you know, the scaling laws from like the, you know, chinchilla paper, the scaling laws for all parameters. We can see how does the number of layers change with this? How does the You know, the learning…”
Josh Albrecht Jun 25, 2024 ▶ 48:50 State of the Art: Training 70B LLMs on 10,000 H100 clusters
Jan 1, 2025
Insight
Swyx: Inference compute optimality creates different scaling laws than Chinchilla
“Chinchilla paper is compute optimal training, but what is not stated in there is it's pre-trained compute optimal training. And once you start caring about inference, compute optimal training, you have a different scaling law and in a way that we did not know …”
Shawn Wang Jan 1, 2025 ▶ 8:32 2024 Year in Review: The Big Scaling Debate, the Four Wars of AI, Top Themes and the Rise of Agents
Aug 29, 2025 negative
Assertion Supported
Morcos: Kaplan and Chinchilla scaling laws incorrectly assume all data is equal
“And even if you go and you look at the scaling laws work from Kaplan and Chinchilla and all these other things, they all assume IID data which is insane. We know that all data are not created equal, that garbage in garbage out is like the oldest adage in compu…”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 8:25 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Aug 29, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Morcos: Proper data curation can bend neural scaling laws
“And what that paper showed was that if you use your data correctly, you can actually bend the scaling laws themselves.”
Ari Morcos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 27:35 Better Data is All You Need — Ari Morcos, Datology
Feb 19, 2026 bullish
Insight
Wang: AI uniquely translates R&D capital directly into capability and demand
“This is probably also a unique time in that for the first time you can actually trace dollars to outcomes, right? Provided that scaling laws are holding and capabilities are actually moving forward. Because if you can put translate dollars into capabilities ca…”
Sarah Wang Feb 19, 2026 ▶ 4:30 Inside AI’s $10B+ Capital Flywheel — Martin Casado & Sarah Wang of a16z
May 27, 2026 bullish
Opinion
Rives states he believes in scaling laws for biology
“Well, I'll take that. I believe in scaling laws, so”
Alex Rives May 27, 2026 ▶ 1:24 🔬 The Bitter Lesson is Coming for Proteins - Alex Rives, BioHub
Jun 25, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Mark Chen: AI scaling laws will continue to hold
“And so I think it's just more and more of the same, right? Like more careful research engineering, more careful data engineering, more careful scaling, and it always unlocks that next ability to scale further. So I mean, it's held for You know, almost 10 order…”
Mark Chen Jun 25, 2026 ▶ 9:58 Cooking with OpenAI’s Research Chief: AGI, o1, Evals, and Scaling Laws — Mark Chen
Jul 22, 2026 positive
What-if
Kant: Sourced failed because they did not scale up code models
“And what we missed throughout that entire journey that we were on the right track, but we should have just kept scaling up. And today to all of us, the scaling laws and scaling up seems like the most obvious thing, but having spent four or five years of my lif…”
Eiso Kant Jul 22, 2026 ▶ 4:27 The AI Frontier: from open weights to open research — Eiso Kant, Poolside AI
Aug 21, 2026 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Park: Simile observes empirical scaling laws when modeling human behavior
“What we are seeing is at Simile, so we do post-train our own model. The thing that we're actually seeing is the early glimpse of scaling law in simulations. The more data about humans and more compute you ingest, you actually start to get predictive and predic…”
Joon Sung Park Aug 21, 2026 ▶ 41:54 Simulating Humanity: from Generative Agents to 8 Billion Digital Twins — Joon Sung Park, Simile AI
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