open source models

also referred to as: open-source models

23 statements across 17 episodes · 13 bullish · 3 bearish · 18 people on the record · first statement Aug 31, 2023 by Eugene Cheah · across every show →

Everything said about open source models, oldest first

Aug 31, 2023 positive
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GPT-NeoX Documentation Became Reference Notes for Subsequent Open-Source LLMs
“GPT Neo X was that it was one of the major models that had everything fully documented and they like, why they make this change in the architecture and so on and so forth. And that became like Basically reference notes for all other subsequent open source mode…”
Eugene Cheah Aug 31, 2023 ▶ 46:33 RWKV: Reinventing RNNs for the Transformer Era
Aug 31, 2023 negative
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Most Open-Source LLMs Fall Flat Outside English-Speaking Nations
“Beyond OpenAI's model, and beyond ChatGPT and Claudia, the two big models, right? Outside of the English speaking nations, right? A lot of the open source models really fall flat.”
Eugene Cheah Aug 31, 2023 ▶ 23:00 RWKV: Reinventing RNNs for the Transformer Era
Dec 17, 2023 bullish
Opinion
Liu: Open-source AI models are currently state-of-the-art for code completion
“Yeah, I mean, for completions, open source is, is state of the art right now.”
Beyang Liu Dec 17, 2023 ▶ 1:09:58 The "Normsky" architecture for AI coding agents — with Beyang Liu + Steve Yegge of SourceGraph
Mar 6, 2024
Insight
Chintala: Childhood trust in institutions determines views on open AI safety
“And this might be a little controversial, but like, I find a lot of arguments, ah, based on whether, like, closed source models are safer, or open source models are safer, very much related to whether, what kind of cultural, ah, culture they grew up in, what k…”
Soumith Chintala Mar 6, 2024 ▶ 1:08:27 Open Source AI is AI we can Trust — with Soumith Chintala of Meta AI
Mar 6, 2024 bullish
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Chintala: Aggregate open source AI model usage rivals GPT
“Maybe open source models are being as used as GPT is at this point in, like, all kinds of, in a very fragmented way. Like, in aggregate, all the open source models together are probably being used as much as GPT is. Maybe, you know, close to that.”
Soumith Chintala Mar 6, 2024 ▶ 1:12:31 Open Source AI is AI we can Trust — with Soumith Chintala of Meta AI
Mar 6, 2024 bearish
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Chintala: Open source cannot beat Google's feedback distribution advantage
“Probably doesn't have a chance against Google, because, you know, Google has Android, and Chrome, and Gmail, and Google Docs, and everything, you know. So people just use that a lot.”
Soumith Chintala Mar 6, 2024 ▶ 1:15:10 Open Source AI is AI we can Trust — with Soumith Chintala of Meta AI
Mar 6, 2024 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Chintala: Centralized feedback could trigger open source runaway over OpenAI
“If that central sinkhole is there, who's gonna go coordinate all of this integration across all of these, like, open source frontends? But I think if we do that, if that actually happens, I think that probably has a real chance of the open source models having…”
Soumith Chintala Mar 6, 2024 ▶ 1:14:45 Open Source AI is AI we can Trust — with Soumith Chintala of Meta AI
Apr 11, 2024 neutral
Disclosure
Stuhlmüller: Closed-source models consume most of Elicit's compute budget
“I'd say, like, in terms of number of careers, it's maybe similar. In terms of, like, cost and compute, I think the closed models make, make up more of the budget, since the main cases where you want to use closed models are cases where they're just smarter, wh…”
Andreas Stuhlmüller Apr 11, 2024 ▶ 36:17 Supervise the Process of AI Research — with Jungwon Byun and Andreas Stuhlmüller of Elicit
Jun 25, 2024 neutral
Disclosure
Frankle: Releasing Open-Source Models Is Not Databricks' Core Bread and Butter
“Releasing models open source is not our day-to-day bread and butter. It's kind of a fun reward that we get to do sometimes when we have something really cool to share and a little bit of time and spare GPUs in our hands. But for the most part, everything is go…”
Jonathan Frankle Jun 25, 2024 ▶ 1:28:40 State of the Art: Training 70B LLMs on 10,000 H100 clusters
Oct 11, 2024 bearish
Disclosure
Goyal: Under 5% of Braintrust production customers use open source
“Among customers running in production, it's less than five percent.”
Ankur Goyal Oct 11, 2024 ▶ 1:37:00 Production AI Engineering starts with Evals
Jul 28, 2025 positive
Disclosure
Mohan: Codeium bootstrapped with open-source models before training custom FIM models
“Early on, we were able to leverage open source models, sort of bootstrap it internally within our company. But then to ship, we finally had some requirements like, Hey, we want this model to have fill in the middle capabilities and a bunch of other things. And…”
Varun Mohan Jul 28, 2025 ▶ 15:09 🕰️ The Oral History of Windsurf (ft. Varun Mohan, Scott Wu, Jeff Wang, Kevin Hou, Anshul R)
Aug 15, 2025 positive
Insight
Brockman: Open-source AI creates tech stack dependency beneficial to OpenAI and the US
“Another thing at a very practical level that we've thought about with open source models is that people building on our open source model are kind of building on our tech stack, right? If you are relying on us to help improve the model that you're relying on u…”
Greg Brockman Aug 15, 2025 ▶ 50:29 Greg Brockman on OpenAI's Road to AGI
Sep 25, 2025 positive
Insight
Rajpal: Fine-tuning open-source models on synthetic data closes proprietary capability gaps
“Not out of the box, but with a lot of that fine tuning and that the training, et cetera, you are able to kind of close the gap and even have better performance on metrics.”
Shreya Rajpal Sep 25, 2025 ▶ 14:37 ⚡️Snowglobe: Simulations for your AI
Oct 1, 2025 neutral
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Enterprises retrain 10B-30B open models from scratch for legal data compliance
“We see at the large enterprise level, particularly those who have large data assets, a desire to train their own models and to go a little smaller, say in the 10 to thirty billion parameter category. I think especially the very large companies, enterprises hav…”
Andrew Feldman Oct 1, 2025 ▶ 15:27 ⚡️Raising $1.1b to build the fastest LLM Chips on Earth — Andrew Feldman, Cerebras
Oct 1, 2025 bullish
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Feldman: AI startups are replacing closed-source models with fine-tuned open-source
“I think for sort of AI companies like Cognition, like all your competitors, like AlphaSense, like dozens of others, they are trying to replace closed source models with very, very fast open source models, and they're trying to drive the open source Accuracy dr…”
Andrew Feldman Oct 1, 2025 ▶ 14:20 ⚡️Raising $1.1b to build the fastest LLM Chips on Earth — Andrew Feldman, Cerebras
Oct 16, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Swix: Open-source token generation share will rise but stay well below 50%
“I think it's going to go up because of the amount of enterprise adoption of open models that I'm seeing. And also there's a lot of demand. Like there's the enterprises would much rather be on open models if they actually could get the performance they're loo…”
Shawn Wang Oct 16, 2025 ▶ 44:52 Why RL Won — Kyle Corbitt, OpenPipe (acq. CoreWeave)
Oct 16, 2025 neutral
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Alessio: Open-source token share could reach 15-20% excluding coding
“I think once you take coding out, I think, yeah, it can be like 15, 20%, but I think with coding, it's still gonna be very low because like these max plans are like, So subsidized and so many tokens are being generated”
Alessio Fanelli Oct 16, 2025 ▶ 45:47 Why RL Won — Kyle Corbitt, OpenPipe (acq. CoreWeave)
Nov 22, 2025 bullish
Insight
Wagner: Fine-tuned open-source models can beat frontier models on quality
“I think you're now with, you know, we'll be seeing the trend going also with the coding agents, you know, fine-tuning open source models and like way faster as a result and more accurate. You can actually beat frontier models on quality that way.”
Matthias Wagner Nov 22, 2025 ▶ 27:28 ⚡️ Building the AI Hardware Engineer with Matthias Wagner, Co-founder of Flux
Jan 9, 2026 positive
Assertion Contradicted
Frontier models are cheaper for agentic tasks because they require fewer turns
“Interestingly, in Tau Tau Two Bench Telecom, it's cheaper to run, you know, on a per token basis, more expensive models, like a GBD five, compared to some smaller open source models, because the some of the GBD five, for instance got to the answer faster. And …”
George Cameron Jan 9, 2026 ▶ 1:09:14 Artificial Analysis: The Independent LLM Analysis House — with George Cameron and Micah Hill-Smith
May 2, 2026 neutral
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Open-source AI demand spiked on hype before reverting to frontier labs
“Like all the open source models, I think what happened was they got like very hyped and people were very interested in using them. But I think like over time, like there was a spike in usage for these models. And then it goes back to open AI, Anthropic and Goo…”
Yasser Elsaid May 2, 2026 ▶ 16:45 ⚡️ Competing with ChatGPT and Sierra, building a $10M ARR company — Yasser Elsaid, Founder, Chatbase
May 18, 2026 neutral
Assertion Supported
Azhnyuk: Inexpensive local hardware now runs near-SOTA open-source AI models
“You can have basically an inexpensive computer running, you know, what was a state of the art model year and a half ago, running it locally on a device with an open source model, which also means that the Chinese can have it, the Russians can have it, the Nort…”
Yaroslav Azhnyuk May 18, 2026 ▶ 56:23 FPV Drones -The Next War Is Already Here — Yaroslav Azhnyuk, The Fourth Law & Noah Smith, Noahpinion
Jul 8, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Bubna: Thousands more companies will post-train and deploy open-source models
“I think for example, LM inference, thousands more companies are going to post train their own models and deploy open source models for inference.”
Akshat Bubna Jul 8, 2026 ▶ 42:17 The Future of AI Infra: from Kubernetes to Agent Sandboxes — Akshat Bubna, Modal CTO
Aug 11, 2026 bullish
Opinion
Patil: Closed frontier models capture the majority of market value
“And actually, if you look at the amount of value captured, it's actually the closed source frontier models. You know, the whole pie is growing, but it's growing so fast that even as the open source models like share expands, the frontier models are still able …”
Neil Patil Aug 11, 2026 ▶ 1:16:58 🔬They Thought the Model Was Broken — Matt McPartlon & Neil Patil, Chai Discovery
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