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VCs are 'hitchhikers with credit cards' focused purely on exits
“I call the VCs I call them hitchhikers with credit cards, and, but what I mean by that is that they're getting into your car, And as long as you take them where they want to get to, which is an exit which either has to be a sale or an IPO... They're not there …”
Mackey: VCs push high burn rates to force cram-down rounds
“They're gonna tell you to try to, don't worry about your burn rate, just grow, grow, grow, and I said, that's not in your best interest. They say that because you, they're the ones supplying the money, and eventually, if they need to, they'll do a cram down ro…”
Mackey: Professional managers view roles at Whole Foods as stepping stones
“In my experience, they're very, they're not usually mission driven. They've gotten their MBA from Harvard or Wharton or Stanford. They're very intelligent. They work hard, but working at Whole Foods or Amazon, it's just a, it's just part of their career path. …”
Mackey proposes 0% capital gains tax on 10-year holdings, 50-60% on short-term
“What I'd love to see is that if you held something for, say, 10 years, maybe your taxes, capital gains taxes went down to close to zero, and if you sold it in less than a year, maybe they'd be much higher. Maybe they'd be 50 or 60%, so that you'd create these …”
Mackey: Defeated four internal coup attempts across Whole Foods history
“I count four different coup attempts that occurred over the history of the company that I was able to beat back.”
Mackey: The best capital is self-generated profit to retain business control
“The best capital you'll ever have is the capital you make yourself, and if you don't want to lose control of your business, then make sure you're very profitable, don't scale too quickly, grow your business thoughtfully and painfully patiently, keep your costs…”
Repeated disagreements with Amazon ultimately led to Mackey's retirement
“I had my share of disagreements with Amazon. I fought with them many times, and ultimately that led to me to retire.”
Mackey: Clear grocery health ratings will drive away shoppers or get diluted
“What they would do is they'd dumb it down so that a lot of stuff that you think is red now would all of a sudden be green. And the, It's like, because most of the food that we're selling in supermarkets is not good for people. And if you start telling the trut…”
Mackey: Whole Foods' Optimal Annual Growth Rate Was 15% to 25%
“So there is an optimum level of growth, and it's not too little that you'll lose people, and not so high that your culture gets diluted down and changes negatively. So at Whole Foods, that sweet spot for us was between about 15 and 25%.”
Mackey: Love.Life will offer psychedelic therapy once legal in California
“When psychedelic therapy is legal in in California, like it is in Colorado and Oregon, we'll be doing that under therapeutic sessions.”
Mackey: Whole Foods Lamar location achieved highest US sales volume within six months
“In fact, within six months, it became the highest volume natural food store in the entire United States, based on everything I know about the world back then.”
Mackey: Approximately 0.5% of Americans are vegan and 2% vegetarian
“The problem in that instance is that about half of one percent of Americans are vegan, and two percent are vegetarian.”
Mackey: Idealism without catering to customer demand leads to business failure
“If you just want to have your ideals, you can have them, but you may not have a business. So you have to engage with the market. You can try to influence the market. You can try to educate the market. But at the end of the day, they vote every day with their p…”
Mackey: Whole Foods held under 1% of grocery share during FTC case
“We got less than one percent of the grocery business, and they sort of made up this category that we were the, we had a monopoly of premium natural and organic food supermarkets, but my point is, of course, we weren't a monopoly of anything”
Mackey would aggressively compete with Erewhon if still Whole Foods CEO
“I would love to be competing more aggressively with Erewhon if I was still the CEO.”
Mackey: Digital Businesses Can Scale Rapidly Without Cultural Dilution
“But I see other businesses, particularly digital businesses, that can scale at enormous rates without cultural problems because it's, they're doing it with so few people.”
Mackey: Whole Foods left Mrs. Gooch's unintegrated for years after acquisition
“We pretty much just left them alone for the first few years and didn't try to integrate them into our company or culture. Just let them operate independently. That was the solution, and it worked.”
Mackey: Project leaders rarely admit failure and instead lobby for resources
“Generally, when something is failing, the people that Are responsible for it. Don't want to admit it's failing, and what they do is that we need more resources. I can make this trick, but you need to give more resources.”
Mackey: Professional managers optimize for career risk while entrepreneurs optimize for experimentation
“That's the job of the entrepreneur is to see things the professionals would not see, or the professionals are making a more calculated decision on is this good for my career or not? Or if this succeeds, will it really help my career? But if it fails, will I en…”
Mackey: Whole Foods had highest sales per square foot among public food retailers
“We had, at the time, the activist investors invested in Whole Foods. We had the highest sales per square foot of any public food retailer. We'd had the same store sales growth of eight percent over a thirty-plus year period.”
Mackey: Warren Buffett declined buying Whole Foods due to Dairy Queen ownership
“Warren Buffett's like the best example, and we actually contacted Warren and asked him if he'd be interested, and he has a good sense of humor, and he said that ah, you know, I own Dairy Queen. I don't think Holfe is a good brand fit for me. And so, nothing ca…”
Mackey: Whole Foods signed Amazon merger agreement six weeks after first meeting
“They came down just three days later, and six weeks after that first meeting, we had signed an agreement to get married, to merge”
Mackey: Love.Life implemented dual-class shares to protect founder control
“It may not surprise you that Love Life has that in our structure there. That didn't really exist when Whole Foods got founded back in 1978, but no, we have two classes of shares. I've learned that lesson.”
Mackey: Never make poor business decisions just to hit an outdated plan
“But the tool shouldn't become the master. Some businesses become slaves to their business plan, and it's like, we're behind the plan now, so what are we going to do differently to get us back on plan? It's like, well, don't do something stupid to try to get yo…”
Mackey: Whole Foods lost $100 million on dot-com investments
“Times, I had the, I bought the Amory on, I pushed the dude dot com, we can't let the internet opportunity escape us. A hundred million dollars we lost.”
Mackey: Based on probability, new venture Love.Life will fail
“I'm on a new one with Love Love. I don't know how it's going to turn. I could fail. I mean, based on probability, it will fail, because most things do fail. Most businesses do fail.”
Mackey: Whole Foods bulk food sales dropped from over 20% to under 1%
“Our very first store was over 20% of our sales were in the bulk foods department, and we didn't have any candy back then. So it was just whole grains, whole, whole grain flour, beans, nuts, seeds, things like that, whole foods. And today it's under one percent…”
Whole Foods survived 1981 flood only through a banker's personal guarantee
“He said, John, the bank turned the loan down. The only reason you got that money was Mark Monroe personally guaranteed that loan.”
Mackey: Amazon invested hundreds of millions in delivery during COVID-19
“Amazon was able to step up and invest literally hundreds of millions of dollars in delivery in order to enable Whole Foods and Amazon Fresh to be able to deliver when the demand went from virtually zero to a huge percentage of your business.”
Mackey: Whole Foods grew slowly in new markets for 10-15 years
“Anytime Whole Foods went into a new market for the first 10 to 15 years we existed, it was a slow growth. Because people just had never heard of us before.”
Mackey: Whole Foods acquired all peer entrepreneurs in the Natural Foods Network
“And eventually Whole Foods ended up, all those entrepreneurs all ultimately sold out to us. So Natural Foods Network ended up being this great vehicle of relationship building that allowed those entrepreneurs to all cash out and make, become millionaires and m…”
Mackey: Whole Foods was not as good at cost discipline
“Whole Foods was not as good at that if we were at other things. And I wasn't as good at that as I should have been.”
Amazon acquisition talks involved a secret location and security searches
“When we were going up there to talk about maybe Amazon buying Whole Foods you know, we were meeting at Jeff's Boathouse, which was next to his mansion on Lake Washington, and, but when we, they wouldn't tell us who the meeting place was until we landed, and th…”