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Marks: US lost 24M jobs to productivity gains versus 3M to China

Howard Marks · #53 Howard Marks: Luck, Risk and Avoiding Losers · Mar 5, 2019 · at 54:44

Oaktree Capital co-founder Howard Marks discusses the true drivers of manufacturing job losses in the United States with Shane Parrish.

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“The point is that we have probably lost twenty-four million jobs to increasing productivity over the last 40 years compared to three million that went to China. And it shows you the scope of the problem and the location of the problem. The problem is not China.”

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The claim, plainly

The United States has lost approximately 24 million manufacturing jobs to productivity gains over the past 40 years, compared to 3 million jobs lost to China.

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Assessment

The claim accurately reflects standard economic research comparing the labor impacts of productivity growth and trade competition over the 40-year period from 1979 to 2019. First, standard trade literature (e.g., Autor, Dorn, and Hanson; Economic Policy Institute) estimates that trade competition and the bilateral trade deficit with China accounted for between 2.0 million and 2.9 million manufacturing jobs lost (and up to ~3.7 million economy-wide displacements), validating the figure of approximately 3 million jobs. Second, while realized net manufacturing employment fell by 6.7 million (from a peak of 19.6 million in 1979 to 12.8 million in 2019), counterfactual macroeconomic models evaluating the output-per-worker productivity expansion over those 40 years show that producing 2019 manufacturing output at 1979 productivity rates would have required roughly 37 million workers. The difference between counterfactual labor requirements and actual employment yields a labor-savings gap of approximately 24 million worker-equivalents displaced or avoided by technological and productivity gains.

BLS data shows U.S. manufacturing employment fell from a peak of 19.6 million in 1979 to 12.8 million in 2019, a net decline of 6.7 million to 6.8 million jobs.
Economic research on the 'China Shock' (Autor, Dorn, and Hanson) and trade deficit studies (EPI) estimate manufacturing job losses attributable to China at 2.0 million to 2.9 million jobs (and ~3.0 million to 3.8 million total economy-wide).
Counterfactual productivity models indicate that producing 2019 output at 1979 labor productivity rates would have required ~37 million workers, representing an implied productivity-driven labor displacement gap of approximately 24 million jobs over the 40-year period.

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[1] bls.gov [2] csis.org [3] harvard.edu [4] nber.org [5] prosperousamerica.org [6] epi.org [7] packworld.com [8] urpe.org

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