Gustav Söderström
Co-CEO, Spotify · 1 appearance on the record.
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Gustav Söderström co-leads Spotify as Co-CEO, having spent over a decade guiding its global product, technology, design, and AI strategy. Before Spotify, he founded Kenet Works and co-founded augmented reality startup 13th Lab.
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Spotify paid out 70% of revenue and remained unprofitable for 15 years
“This year, Is sort of the first year of profitability for Spotify since its founding. People say that, you know, there's a lot of talk about Spotify sharing enough of the revenue. You know, we share about 70%, but the truth is the other 30% we haven't kept. We…”
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Competing streaming services report higher per-stream payouts because their engagement is lower
“So these other companies have higher per stream because they have a worse product.”
Most consumer products will become conversational interfaces within five to ten years
“And I think if you fast forward five to 10 years, almost all big consumer products are going to be a conversation to some extent, rather than this service that you use.”
AI's impact on non-coding engineering tasks will exceed code generation
“But then the really interesting side is these other seven hours, what a developer does, which is a lot of communication, planning, working with designers, prototyping meetings. Those things I think will actually have as big or even more impact than the coding …”
Spotify adopted the Chinese super-app model to combat declining app store installs
“Our entire strategy is basically, we decided this many years ago before it was popular, but you saw the Chinese app, the Chinese starting to build super apps, whereas the Western world built one app per use case. We kind of adopted the Chinese super app idea a…”
Enterprise AI adoption primarily requires traditional API engineering, not AI engineering
“And actually, so actually my biggest job to enable AI is not AI engineering. It's old school engineering, exposing all this, these, this data that we have so that you can have a reasoning engine reason for you as a product person, or actually for me as a consu…”
AI currently delivers only a disappointing 7% developer speedup in big tech
“I've seen studies from other big companies that if you actually measure out of a developer's time, this, the speed up is like seven percent or something, which sounds very disappointing because of all these things, like the net new coding is a small part, net …”
Spotify paid out 70% of revenue and remained unprofitable for 15 years
“This year, Is sort of the first year of profitability for Spotify since its founding. People say that, you know, there's a lot of talk about Spotify sharing enough of the revenue. You know, we share about 70%, but the truth is the other 30% we haven't kept. We…”
Spotify boasts twice the engagement and half the churn of rival services
“We've learned from the labels that we have twice the engagement and half the churn of competing services. So that's sort of a curse where the per stream model, just the better we are as a product, the lower the per stream is going to look.”
The undervalued music industry will eventually reach billions of paying subscribers
“And if you just look at the numbers, you just have to keep going and it's going to get to billions of users paying and then several billions. Then the music industry is absolutely massive. I just think the music industry It's like undervalued. Terminally is go…”
Spotify's initial strategy of pursuing exclusive podcast deals was a bad bet
“So we tried exclusivity in podcasts as a way to differentiate the surface service, but I think it was ultimately a bad bet because the macro trend for the whole thing with podcasts was that the production cost was so low.”
Spotify refuses to launch winning A/B tests without a causal theory
“Even if something works in an A-B test, I tend to say, like, I don't want to launch it until you have a good theory of why it works.”
Spotify allocates resources through six-month VC-style pitches to stack-rank bets
“Every six months, these VPs, they pitch, literally pitch as if we were a VC
and they were a startup.
the bets that they think the company should do and why.
And it's very much like a startup process.
You know, you don't get to use the fact that, you know Gust…”
Six-month planning cycles optimally balance enterprise responsiveness with planning overhead
“And, you know, we execute for six months. In order for the overhead to not get too big, but we can't go to a year, then you can't react. A quarter is too short. It's too much planning overhead versus execution.”
Spotify risked overnight bankruptcy from high marginal costs if free-tier usage surged
“Spotify could never do that because we could go bankrupt overnight. So we always had to worry about monetization and the balance between free tier and pay tier conversion and free term monetization.”
Consumer tech products will increasingly tier pricing based on AI inference volume
“It's very likely that some consumers are going to want tons and tons of inference. And because that's a marginal cost, you're probably going to have to pay somehow for that as a consumer. So I think you're going to see more tiering of consumer products based o…”
Overall demand for intelligence will outpace the falling costs of AI compute
“I think from a financial point of view when the cost of something drops, the demand usually increases more than the cost, than the drop. And I think that's, Bound to happen with intelligence.”
Product 'magic' is simply internalized pattern recognition that remains unarticulated science
“The reason you call it magic is because that person can't explain it. It isn't actually magic. It's just science. It's just, you are not smart enough to explain yourself.”
Spotify's free mobile shuffle tier remains its core differentiator against rival platforms
“So we went with this shuffle tier and this is what made growth explode. And to this day, that's our differentiation against the other services.”
Spotify essentially operates as the missing R&D department for the music industry
“My team, the, R and D team and all of Spotify, we are the R and D department of the music industry. And first people were like, what do you mean? And I'm like, well, look at it. It's an entire industry that doesn't have an R and D department. Like, you know, m…”
Adding podcasts and audiobooks to Spotify did not cannibalize existing music consumption
“We didn't know before we started. If podcasting and later audio books would be cannibalistic to the other media types or not, but it turns out it's not.”
Spotify achieved profitability through price increases enabled by accumulated consumer surplus
“We price raised a few times, Which is part of why we're profitable now. But that's because we had such user surplus in value.”
Companies face an 'AI or die' shift comparable to smartphones
“I think it is the right description, at least in the longer term. I think it is AI or die, just like it was a smartphone or die. And before that, internet or die, computer or die. This is one of those shifts that, you know, it's not your choice whether you ado…”
AI coding tools currently benefit startups significantly more than large enterprises
“So far generative AI encoding has had the most impact when you write net new code, which is a lot of what you do as a startup and a tiny bit of what you do as a big company. Most of it is just refactoring, et cetera.”
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Spotify’s Journey To Profitability · Invest Like The Best | May 20, 2025 | 1h 9m |