Stephanie Berner
Chief Customer Officer, Smartsheet · 1 appearance on the record.
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Stephanie Berner is a B2B SaaS executive who builds and scales customer success and post-sales functions across enterprise software companies, including Smartsheet, Atlassian, LinkedIn, Box, and Medallia. She has authored playbooks on early-stage customer success strategy and advises SaaS platforms including Gainsight, Databook, and Modern Treasury.
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Berner: Snowflake ships its customer success motion to the sales team
“Sometimes even in those cases, you don't really need a lot from a CSM, like a success motion, and sometimes that success motion gets, gets shipped over to the sales team. Sometimes I've seen that happen, and sometimes that works, like that's how Snowflake does…”
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Berner: NPS and CSAT are easily gamed and less actionable early on
“In later stages, you can start to look at other metrics like NPS, CSAT, time to launch, and your implementation. Those can be great metrics. Those sometimes can be, you know, easily gamed, so they don't necessarily provide the right insight for leadership or e…”
Berner: Simple renewals belong in CS, expansion renewals belong in Sales
“If renewals are primarily just that, a renewal conversation, where there's a quick, you know, exchange of papers, a quick conversation, if there's a change in price, but there isn't a detailed negotiation or any complexity with that transaction, that renewal p…”
Berner: CS Reporting Directly to CEO Keeps Leadership Close to Customer Experience
“I am a big fan of, say, the CS organization reporting right into the CEO, because in those cases, the CEO is really close to the customer experience, no matter what phase the business is in, super early or operating at scale.”
Berner: CS Reporting to Product Creates Unnatural Organizational Alignment
“From my perspective, I think that's challenging because customer success is core to the go-to-market motion and aligning CS at minimum to the revenue team and putting it in line with marketing creates a flywheel for your go-to-market team in a way that I think…”
Berner: Tying CS comp to renewal quotas neglects product adoption
“The thing that I think companies get tripped up by is when you put a significant amount of comp against a renewals or expansion quota, that is going to drive behavior. And if you want your teams only focused on getting the renewal across the line, that is wher…”
Berner: Dedicated implementation specialists outperform generalist CSMs on onboarding
“The problem with that is CSM Brett does an implementation and onboarding process once, maybe twice a year. Because that's how many net new customers you get in your portfolio. Versus if you have a group of implementation specialists, they do it all day, every …”
Berner: Formalize CS when problem-solving consumes over half of staff's day
“When you have a meaningful volume of customers, you end up Spending, say, more than half your day just resolving problems or getting them going in your product, then that's the time that it makes sense to consolidate that work into a couple of individuals.”
Berner: Early CS hires must communicate exceptionally to drive product feedback loops
“The second thing you need in those early days is you need people who communicate exceptionally well because they're the ones who are going to be your feedback loop to product, engineering, and even leadership to help you understand what is it that you need to …”
Berner: Startups Should Hire IC Customer Success Managers Before Managers
“I am biased toward hiring ICs first. Ideally, you can find somebody who either has been a manager before, or has aspirations to be a manager, or, you know, if you can assess for leadership qualities in your early interview processes, somebody who has the poten…”
Berner: Early CSM interview loops should include founders, product heads, and GTM leaders
“I think you need at least one of the founders on the loop. I think you need the head of product and or the head of engineering, and you need somebody from a go-to-market function. And I'm assuming that all of these are filled. I bias in the early days, if we'r…”
Berner: Early customer-facing odd jobs reliably signal customer empathy and fit
“And if people continue to opt in to odd jobs or part-time jobs or even career modes that Include a customer oriented experience. Then that tells me that they are a customer oriented person. I've hired people who've never done anything customer facing into cust…”
Berner: CSMs fail when unable to balance customer pain with business interests
“The second is People who have a hard time balancing customer interest with business interest, who get really bogged down in the volume or the pain that's coming in from customers. And one of the big roles that the customer facing teams play is funneling all th…”
Berner: The Jobs-to-Be-Done framework applies equally to customer success
“Oftentimes we talk about jobs to be done in the world of product, but it's very similar in the world of Customer delivery and all the teams in the customer success organization, because there are jobs that we need to build teams to deliver.”
Berner: Customer empathy and commercial mindsets are rarely found together in CSMs
“A very strong commercial mindset, which is hard to find in people who also have some of these other skills around customer curiosity, deep Customer empathy, bias for action, where people who like to help customers build their programs alongside our software, s…”
Berner: Hire a firefighter first in CS, add systems builders by fourth
“The first hire does need to be that firefighter bias for action. I think by about your third or fourth, you need to make sure you have that skill set somewhere in your team.”
Berner: Failing to codify onboarding early obscures what creates customer value
“The second place where you need to start to build some processes with implementation and onboarding. And this is actually a mistake that I see companies make. Is that they don't codify the 10, 15 step process of getting a customer onboarded. If you don't have …”
Berner: Support and implementation are the first CS roles to specialize
“As you start to scale up, you need to think about role specialization. Those are the two places where it makes sense to start specializing your roles, support or implementation, because those are the things that are very high volume and highly repeatable.”
Berner: Product usage is the essential early-stage customer health metric
“The number one most important metric is some measure of customer health. That can be a really complex answer in a late stage business, but in the beginning, it's about product usage. And product usage alone is never sufficient. But it is an, a critically impor…”
Berner: CS ownership of renewals and leading indicators aligns incentives
“And so if you have accountability for all the leading indicators, things like adoption, customer satisfaction, and accountability for the outcome, which is renewal, then that creates the right combination of incentives for the entire team to be doing the right…”
Berner: Nice-to-have software demands different CS journeys than must-have platforms
“If you know that you're a nice-to-have, then that upfront long-term value conversation and those relationships are critical because that is what is going to keep you in play with that business. Versus if you are a must-have platform solution, it's actually a l…”
Berner: Leading with known customer pain points elicits more honest churn feedback
“Rather than saying open-ended, why did you churn? Or why did you not renew? You can say, here are all the things you've told us. What am I missing? And, ok, if I were in your shoes, these are all the things that I was experiencing as a customer. This is the co…”
Berner: Scaling past a dozen CSMs creates product coordination bottlenecks
“As the team grows, you sort of end up with sort of a coordination problem where not every product manager can speak with every CS rep, especially when you know, you have a dozen, maybe 15, you know, reps on the CS side and only a handful of product managers. A…”
Berner: Support and implementation staffing is a straightforward capacity math problem
“So for support, real technical support, which is break-fix, managing high volume tickets or, you know, inquiries and implementations, which is basically repeatable processes, it's a lot easier to figure out how many people you need. That is like, honestly, it'…”
Berner: Baseline CSM ratios range from 5-10 strategic accounts to 80-120 SMBs
“My rule of thumb, like my starting point for thinking about ratios, is in your most strategic accounts, which are usually more than 500 K, you don't want to load up a person more than between five and 10 accounts. For enterprise, it's somewhere around 20 to 25…”
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| A customer success masterclass | How to build and scale a CS org | Stephanie Berner (Linke | Feb 1, 2024 | 58m |