Jun 4, 2018 · 49m · how-i-built-this
Minted: Mariam Naficy
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In this episode of How I Built This, Mariam Naficy shares how she navigated early dot-com e-commerce with Eve.com before overcoming near-failure to build Minted into a thriving, multimillion-dollar crowdsourced marketplace for independent artists.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 31.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 3.2 Guest teaching 2.6 Guest disagreement 1.1 Guy pushing back 1.2
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 34:05 Reframing VC bias as design illiteracy
Naficy gently pushes back on Raz's simple gender framing, arguing that Silicon Valley venture capitalists fundamentally lacked design appreciation regardless of gender.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 33:54 Raz asks directly about sexism in venture fundingRaz intentionally puts Naficy on the spot by asking whether male founders pitching stationery would have faced far less skepticism.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 16:02 Explaining the reality of 1990s VC collusionNaficy educates Raz on how venture capitalists colluded to slash valuations before public online transparency created founder accountability.
Guy holds their own ▶ 46:50 Raz challenges authenticity of pineapple pierogiesRaz playfully calls out the recipe, asserting that pineapples are certainly not grown or traditionally found in Polish cuisine.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Evolution of Stationery and Naficy's Background | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Host introductory monologue contrasting traditional stationery buying with modern digital ordering and introducing Naficy. | |
| Fleeing Iran and Childhood in the United States | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Naficy recounts fleeing Iran, arriving in the US during the hostage crisis, and developing an outsider's observer mindset. | |
| Williams College and Early Wall Street Experience | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Discussion of Naficy's early career at Goldman Sachs, publishing a career guide book, and her transition to Stanford. | |
| Founding Eve.com and Overcoming Online Cosmetic Skepticism | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Naficy explains the early skepticism surrounding e-commerce in cosmetics and the conventional wisdom that women would not shop online. | |
| Dot-Com Fundraising and Countering VC Collusion | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Naficy details predatory VC collusion tactics in the late nineties and how Eve.com bypassed a downgraded offer by signing with Idealab. | |
| Eve.com's Rapid Growth and Pre-Crash Acquisition | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Naficy recounts selling Eve.com right before the dot-com bubble burst as public market enthusiasm gave way to profit skepticism. | |
| Navigating Post-Sale Misconceptions and Seeking Validation | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Naficy describes fighting the perception of beginner's luck and developing the concept of crowdsourcing design for stationery. | |
| Building Proprietary Software and Testing Hidden Competitions | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Naficy outlines raising angel funding and secretly engineering crowdsourcing competition software with a freelance coder. | |
| The Disastrous Minted Launch and Crowdsourced Signal | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | Naficy recalls Minted's initial zero-sales launch, brutal press reviews, and the surprising early traction of crowdsourced photo cards. | |
| Securing Venture Capital Amid Financial Distress | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Raz presses on whether Naficy faced gender bias from male VCs; Naficy emphasizes that Silicon Valley lacked design literacy in general. | |
| The Pivot to 100% Crowdsourcing and Holiday Card Breakthrough | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Naficy describes the difficult decision to abandon traditional brand partnerships and pivot entirely to crowdsourced holiday cards. | |
| Surviving 'Printergeddon' and Competitor Hostility | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Naficy describes 'Printergeddon' where a competitor bought their primary printer weeks before peak season to force a takeover. | |
| Cultivating an Artist Community and Achieving Scale | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Naficy reflects on Minted's profitability, its diverse community of creators, and balancing immigrant paranoia with passion and luck. | |
| How You Built That: The Jaju Pierogies Story | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Vanessa and Casey White share the story of launching Jaju Pierogies from grandfather's recipes, including an odd pineapple flavor. |
Statements from this episode (26)
Naficy: Frequent movers and third-culture kids remain perpetual outsider observers
“If you're like me, and you're, you move around a lot, and you're of mixed cultures, you're never really going to feel like you belong to one place or one culture, right? You're always going to feel a little bit like the outsider who's traveling through time an…”
Naficy: Banking analyst roles serve as the ultimate work ethic training ground
“I can't say that I love being a financial analyst. That, it is sort of like loving boot camp. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but you end up working very, very long hours but I will say it's a great training ground as to what work ethic really means, …”
Naficy: Began selling bonds on Goldman Sachs trading floor at age 20
“So I was 20, and I was eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the office, and I was actually selling, I had a desk on the bond trading floor, and I was selling bonds as well as doing, working with clients. So before I could actually drink, I was selling bonds.…”
Naficy: Used her Broadway Books advance to pay for Stanford Business School
“I knew I'd sold the book to a publisher, Broadway, before I As I was applying, and I think that helped differentiate me as well. And then I used the advance to pay for business school, which I needed to pay for.”
Naficy: Entrepreneurs must discount claims that people won't buy items online
“Yeah, so I mean, if you hear that as an entrepreneur, you've got to discount that massively, because trust me, it's been everything, all of those things have been set.”
Naficy: Literally no one was selling cosmetics online in 1998
“Nobody was selling cosmetics online. Nobody. Can you believe? Literally no one.”
Naficy: Lack of online transparency let 1990s VCs abuse term sheets
“It's a term sheet is, unfortunately, not binding. It's a indication of interest that's really a buildup of good faith, and so you could do it and get away with it, absolutely, and it happened a lot in, you know, in the late nineties when you didn't have online…”
Naficy: Eve.com generated $10M in sales during its first year
“I mean, we did ten million dollars in sales in our first”
Naficy: Eve.com closed its sale two weeks before the dot-com crash
“We closed it in April, 2000, Two weeks later, the market started crashing.”
Naficy: Stationery retail is inherently viral with strong unit economics
“So the idea was focused around stationery retail, and it had fantastic economics associated with it, good margins, it was an inherently viral product, because your name is on the back of the card, your company name, but the shopping experience offline was pret…”
Naficy: Initially aimed to build Minted without venture capital
“On the other hand, I was a little bit, honestly, a little bit risk-averse, and I thought that I did not want to raise venture capital again because I Had had some bumpy experiences in the first go round. So I thought I need to find a business model to apply th…”
Naficy: Raised a $2.5 million angel funding round to start Minted
“I was actually able to raise a pretty big angel around of two and a half million dollars, which is big for an angel around.”
Naficy: Minted had to build custom online stationery rendering software
“The key challenge was how to render the customization of your stationery online. That was, and that was, that wasn't something we could buy off the shelf from anyone, so we had to build it ourselves.”
Naficy: Minted had zero sales in its first 30 days post-launch
“Here, there was not one thing sold in the first 30 days, not one sale.”
Naficy: Early traffic exclusively bought small crowdsourced designs over established brands
“And then when they did come, what they were buying were the, it was a tiny little crowdsource selection that I mentioned to you that was my little personal secret hobby passion.”
Naficy: Minted operated at a 0.1% conversion rate shortly after launch
“Our conversion rate, which is a critical metric that e-commerce companies use to determine success, was something like .one percent.”
Naficy: Minted was down to low six figures in cash in 2008
“And we have, you know, a couple 100,000 dollars left in the bank.”
Naficy: Alex Rosen was the only investor interested in Minted's Series A
“This one brave investor from IDG, now Ridge Ventures, Alex Rosen, decided to take a chance on me. And that's it. That's the only reason. And nobody else was interested.”
Naficy: Male founders receive more VC credit for past entrepreneurial success
“I think that if I were a man, I would probably Have gotten a little bit more credit for what I'd previously delivered. I think the personal reputation effect of what had happened with E would have magnified.”
Naficy: Silicon Valley investors don't understand design or its importance
“When I say Silicon Valley doesn't have design confidence, I mean the investors in Silicon Valley don't really understand design and why it's important.”
Naficy: Minted went 100% crowdsourced after brand stationery failed to sell
“The only thing that sold was the crowdsourced product, and not what we spent the entire year launching, which was all the stationary brands. We actually made a hard cut over, and by Christmas of that year, we went 100% crowdsourcing.”
Naficy: Minted launched holiday cards against investor advice and oversold
“We actually decided to move into the holiday cards business against the advice of all of our investors who probably rightly said you should focus on what you started, which was wedding. We decided to ignore the advice, launch into holiday cards, and we were, w…”
Naficy: Competitor acquired Minted's key printer two weeks before holiday peak
“The first week of October, my cell phone rings at about five o'clock. It's the CEO of a much, much larger competitor. And they basically say, we want you to hear the news from us. We have bought this printing company of yours that, that you use You know, this …”
Naficy: Competitor acquired supplier to force a buyout of Minted
“So I went in for the meeting, and after a little bit of chatter he said, we'd like to buy you. We'd like to buy your business. And I realized in that moment that that whole thing had been constructed to basically force us to sell our business.”