May 6, 2019 · 58m · how-i-built-this
Framebridge: Susan Tynan (2017)
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In this episode of How I Built This, host Guy Raz interviews Framebridge founder Susan Tynan, exploring how she disrupted the expensive and opaque custom framing industry to build a multi-million-dollar, venture-backed direct-to-consumer brand.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 31.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 1.7 Guest teaching 2.0 Guest disagreement 0.4 Guy pushing back 1.0
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:00 Ideas are worth almost nothing
Tynan flatly dismisses the romantic notion that having a great startup idea matters, asserting that ideas carry zero value without relentless execution and hustle.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 55:30 The Waze congestion challengeRaz directly challenges Len Testa's line-skipping optimization model by offering a counterexample: what happens when widespread adoption clogs the suggested shortcuts, exactly like Waze.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:47 Explaining the retail framing supply chainTynan educates Raz on the structural economics of the custom framing industry, breaking down why local shops carry zero inventory and markup distributor orders tenfold.
Guy holds their own ▶ 13:27 Warby Parker direct-to-consumer comparisonRaz connects Tynan's custom framing thesis to his interview with Warby Parker's founders, identifying the structural parallels in attacking inflated margins in commoditized physical goods.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| NPR Server Error and Podcast Feed Apology | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Guy Raz sets up the show narrative after the NPR technical error apology, engaging in warm biographical questions about Susan's childhood and her father's tugboat business. | |
| White House, LivingSocial, and Startup Lessons | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Raz and Tynan discuss the meteoric rise and rapid unraveling of LivingSocial, exploring the flawed merchant value proposition of the daily deals boom. | |
| Taxi Magic and the Framing Epiphany | 3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Raz compares custom framing economics to Warby Parker's disruption of eyewear, while Tynan explains the structural inefficiencies and markups of traditional frame retail. | |
| Validating the Concept and Taking the Leap | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Raz asks whether an idea alone is enough given how many people claim to have thought of it, and Tynan firmly states ideas are essentially worthless without execution. | |
| Trade Shows, Framing School, and Industry Resistance | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Tynan recounts taking a motel framing class and attending a Vegas trade show, with Raz highlighting the traditional industry's natural skepticism toward tech disruption. | |
| Investor Pitching and First Major Rejection | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Raz probes why Tynan went straight to institutional venture capital rather than bootstrapping, and Tynan explains why custom framing could not succeed as a lean MVP. | |
| Mid-Show Station Break and Podcast ID | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Following the mid-roll break, Tynan shares how she secured engineering help on credit before landing her first institutional check from a female VC partner. | |
| First Hire and Building the Factory | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Tynan explains the pivot from outsourcing their first 9,000 frames to leasing a warehouse and manufacturing directly to maintain quality control. | |
| Launch, Media Buzz, and Packing Nightly Orders | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Susan details early PR gifting to magazine editors and the evening packing routines where corporate staff packaged shipments alongside the CEO. | |
| Production Chaos Ahead of First Christmas | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Tynan recounts operational near-disasters when her head of production quit ahead of Christmas and his replacement broke his leg three days later. | |
| Father's Day Backlog and Scaling Operations | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Raz suggests high demand causing a backlog seems like a high-class problem, but Tynan reframes it as existential because late shipments ruined time-sensitive emotional gifts. | |
| The Seventeen-Million-Dollar CFO Departure Crisis | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Tynan details navigating a crisis when her new CFO resigned three weeks in right before signing a $17M term sheet, forcing emergency board management. | |
| Growth Pressures, Equity, and Wealth Realities | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz questions the reality of raising tens of millions versus personal founder net worth, and Tynan explains heavy dilution, modest salary, and ongoing operational pressure. | |
| Reflections on Hustle, Belief, and Meaningful Keepsakes | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Susan and Guy reflect on the blend of luck and hustle required to build a company and the emotional resonance of framing personal family keepsakes. | |
| Framebridge Post-Script and Follow-Up | 3 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Raz updates Framebridge's total funding before interviewing Len Testa on Touring Plans, actively challenging Testa with the 'Waze-ification' crowd paradox at Disney parks. |
Statements from this episode (22)
Tynan: LivingSocial business lines reached $80M in sales in 18 months
“And I remember even the business lines I was running, I got to launch them, and I got to eighty million in sales, like, you know, in a year and a half.”
Tynan: LivingSocial unravelled because merchants failed to gain repeat customers
“The exchange was really that local merchants would get loyal customers, and so that had to be the case, and I think in some cases that trade-off didn't exist, and so some of the best merchants said not interested anymore, and so then the emails weren't as exci…”
Tynan: Taxi Magic Launched an iPhone Taxi-Hailing App Before Uber
“It was called Taxi Magic that was actually had an iPhone app to hail taxis pre Uber.”
Tynan: Local Frame Shops Are Expensive Because They Hold Zero Inventory
“So for a local store they don't store any inventory. They don't store any of their materials in their store. And so in order, when you go in and you select from the thousand frame styles on the wall the frame store is actually buying those materials for your p…”
Tynan: An MVP approach cannot work for high-trust custom framing
“There is no Really minimally viable product version of this business. It has to be great out of the gate. Like that, that anything to just test whether the concept worked wouldn't work. We had to do it great. And we had to do it ourselves.”
Framebridge raised a $1.5 million seed round to launch
“We raised a million and a half dollars. So we were going to raise a real round, you know, a real seed round out of the gates.”
Tynan: Framebridge took ten months to raise seed funding
“Meetings wise, it was, you know, 10 months, but really intensely, probably about four months which felt Really grueling, but I think is, is, you know, as these things go, sort of an easy run.”
Tynan: Framebridge originally planned to outsource its first 9,000 frames
“The plan was to build an app and a website and to find some framer friends to do the initial production. And I remember we said for the first 9000 frames, I don't know why we said that, but the first 9000 frames, we'll just find someone who'll do it for us.”
Tynan: Framebridge leased a factory in April and soft-launched by July
“We got money end of February. By April, we signed a lease on a facility, on a production facility. And July, we did a soft launch.”
Tynan: Home Decor Blogger Triggered Framebridge's First Major Sales Spike
“Late October, someone, a home decor blogger, wrote a blog post, and we had our first real sales spike of a day and that was the first day we thought, okay, like, it's on.”
Tynan: Framebridge sold 100 frames daily while making only 70
“So we started, it was really the daily issue in that we were selling about a hundred frames a day and making about 70.”
Tynan: Startup survival is directly correlated to crisis recovery speed
“I once read that, like, how fast you can jump up from a burpee is correlated with your life expectancy. And I think that's a lot like a startup. It's really how fast, like, oh, the production manager quit. We got a new production manager. You're like, it's lik…”
Tynan: A CFO departure immediately signals internal trouble to observers
“Anyone who's ever worked for a business knows that people watch what the CFO does, because, I mean, you're like, what's going on there if your CFO leaves?”
Tynan: Framebridge can become big and forecastable enough to IPO
“Do I think we can be a big enough company to go public? Absolutely. And I think we can be a fundamentally good enough company to and an understandable enough and a forecastable enough business to go public. Yeah, I believe that.”
Tynan admits she gave up a shocking amount of Framebridge equity
“Yeah, I've given up a tremendous amount of ownership. I think people would be shocked by how much.”
Tynan: Framebridge would not have worked without venture capital
“I don't think it would have worked unless we had done it in this really Full way, this really high quality way, and the money allowed me to recruit truly the best people, these terrific people, and use very good materials, and, you know, have a very open liber…”
Founder Susan Tynan is not the highest-paid employee at Framebridge
“And I'm not the highest paid member of the team by any stretch.”
Tynan: Working at startups barely prepares someone to be a founder
“I worked at a lot of startups. Like, that has nothing to do with this. It has nothing, it's like barely even preparation for this.”
Raz: Framebridge has raised about $82 million
“We just checked back with Susan, and she says Framebridge has now raised about eighty-two million dollars.”
Raz: Tighe Savage backed Framebridge in every subsequent round and joined board
“And that first investor she pitched, Tighe Savage of Revolution Ventures, the one who encouraged her to start the company and then told her he wasn't ready to invest, Well, he did change his mind. He actually invested in Framebridge in every subsequent round, …”
Testa: In 1997 I predicted handheld GPS devices optimizing park routing
“The first paper I ever wrote was in 1997. This is 10 years before the iPhone. I said, you know, one day we're going to walk through a park and we're going to have these handheld devices. It's going to have GPS and something's going to be feeding it the wait ti…”