May 13, 2021 · 23m · how-i-built-this
Meet The HIBT Fellows: Katie Mitchell & Celena Gill
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In this Fellows edition of How I Built This, host Guy Raz profiles entrepreneurs Katie Mitchell of Good Books and Celena Gill of Frère Brancheau as they compete for a 50,000 dollar grant. The episode highlights how both founders built thriving, mission-driven enterprises rooted in family collaboration, cultural heritage, and community empowerment.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 30.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
In a completely collaborative episode, Katie provides the most assertive reframing by declaring that past family illiteracy caused by systemic barriers is not her shame to carry.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 6:38 Guy Raz probes business and profit structureGuy asks Katie to clarify whether her community-focused mobile bookstore operates under a traditional commercial model or a hybrid nonprofit structure.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:20 Celena details candle and soap chemistry experimentsCelena explains the rigorous market research and technical chemistry learning her young sons undertook to master hot process, cold process, and candle formulations.
Guy holds their own ▶ 11:40 Guy explains French linguistic punGuy jumps in to break down the French translation and pronunciation of brancheau, connecting the tutor's nickname to fish gills.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Katie Mitchell on Childhood Reading and Literary Inspiration | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Guy Raz conducts a warm, conversational interview asking Katie Mitchell about her childhood reading habits, coping with mental health through fiction, and the historical roots of her bookstore idea. | |
| Mobile Bookmobiles and Good Books' Social Mission | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Guy asks about the operating model of Good Books and lightly probes whether the venture is designed as a hybrid for-profit/nonprofit, which Katie clarifies by detailing their community partnerships. | |
| Storytelling and Authenticity with Robin McBride | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Katie shares takeaways from Robin McBride's branding workshop regarding authenticity and shedding shame around family illiteracy, followed by her plans for the $50k grant. | |
| Celena Gill on Founding Frère Brancheau with Her Sons | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Celena Gill introduces her company Frere Brancheau and explains how homeschooling prompted her sons to start a candle business. Guy demonstrates familiarity with French by explaining the meaning behind the name. | |
| Breakthrough at NPR's All Crafts Considered Fair | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Celena explains how her young sons independently manned their booth and sold out at NPR's craft fair, and Guy provides context on NPR's holiday market for listeners. | |
| Scaling Operations to Seven Figures During the Pandemic | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Guy asks about scaling manufacturing and revenue milestones. Celena recounts reaching seven figures in sales during the pandemic and setting up a sustainable 10% charitable contribution. | |
| Envisioning Global Stores and a Homeless Training Center | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Celena outlines long-term plans to build a dedicated warehouse alongside a transitional job-training center for individuals experiencing homelessness, and describes their organic hiring of local families. |