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Jul 25, 2024 · 43m · how-i-built-this

Advice Line with Joe Kudla of Vuori

Joe Kudla · 16m spoken Guy Raz · 12m spoken Brendan McEvoy · 3m spoken Steve Bright · 3m spoken Lori Boge · 2m spoken
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In this episode of The Advice Line on How I Built This Lab, host Guy Raz and Vuori founder Joe Kudla coach early-stage apparel and accessories founders on strategic pivots, grassroots marketing, wholesale distribution, and capital efficiency. Drawing from Vuori's journey from near-failure to a global activewear powerhouse, Kudla provides actionable frameworks for scaling sustainable consumer brands.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 33.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Guy as informed peer 6.0 Guest teaching 3.0 Guest disagreement 1.0 Guy pushing back 2.0
05100:0015:0030:004:32–14:56 · Guy as informed peer 6/10 Scaling Green Cloud Apparel with Lori Boge Guy Raz and Joe Kudla advise Lori Boge on scaling her medical apparel line. Guy demonstrates tactical expertise by drawing parallels to Whitney Wolfe's grassroots sorority launch strategy with Bumble to suggest targeting female medical students.15:12–28:25 · Guy as informed peer 6/10 International Expansion Strategy for My Name is Ted Brendan McEvoy seeks advice on scaling his Irish luxury handbag brand in the US. Guy offers sharp market insight by pinpointing specific high-end hotel boutiques in trendsetting markets like Miami and Los Angeles to capture celebrity foot traffic.28:39–41:01 · Guy as informed peer 6/10 Scaling Skittens Between Wholesale and Direct to Consumer Steve Bright asks whether to focus on wholesale or direct-to-consumer for Skittens. Guy and Joe push back on operating at a loss in wholesale and suggest strategic impulse retail placements alongside overseas margin optimization.4:32–14:56 · Guest teaching 4/10 Scaling Green Cloud Apparel with Lori Boge Guy Raz and Joe Kudla advise Lori Boge on scaling her medical apparel line. Guy demonstrates tactical expertise by drawing parallels to Whitney Wolfe's grassroots sorority launch strategy with Bumble to suggest targeting female medical students.15:12–28:25 · Guest teaching 3/10 International Expansion Strategy for My Name is Ted Brendan McEvoy seeks advice on scaling his Irish luxury handbag brand in the US. Guy offers sharp market insight by pinpointing specific high-end hotel boutiques in trendsetting markets like Miami and Los Angeles to capture celebrity foot traffic.28:39–41:01 · Guest teaching 2/10 Scaling Skittens Between Wholesale and Direct to Consumer Steve Bright asks whether to focus on wholesale or direct-to-consumer for Skittens. Guy and Joe push back on operating at a loss in wholesale and suggest strategic impulse retail placements alongside overseas margin optimization.4:32–14:56 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Scaling Green Cloud Apparel with Lori Boge Guy Raz and Joe Kudla advise Lori Boge on scaling her medical apparel line. Guy demonstrates tactical expertise by drawing parallels to Whitney Wolfe's grassroots sorority launch strategy with Bumble to suggest targeting female medical students.15:12–28:25 · Guest disagreement 1/10 International Expansion Strategy for My Name is Ted Brendan McEvoy seeks advice on scaling his Irish luxury handbag brand in the US. Guy offers sharp market insight by pinpointing specific high-end hotel boutiques in trendsetting markets like Miami and Los Angeles to capture celebrity foot traffic.28:39–41:01 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Scaling Skittens Between Wholesale and Direct to Consumer Steve Bright asks whether to focus on wholesale or direct-to-consumer for Skittens. Guy and Joe push back on operating at a loss in wholesale and suggest strategic impulse retail placements alongside overseas margin optimization.4:32–14:56 · Guy pushing back 1/10 Scaling Green Cloud Apparel with Lori Boge Guy Raz and Joe Kudla advise Lori Boge on scaling her medical apparel line. Guy demonstrates tactical expertise by drawing parallels to Whitney Wolfe's grassroots sorority launch strategy with Bumble to suggest targeting female medical students.15:12–28:25 · Guy pushing back 2/10 International Expansion Strategy for My Name is Ted Brendan McEvoy seeks advice on scaling his Irish luxury handbag brand in the US. Guy offers sharp market insight by pinpointing specific high-end hotel boutiques in trendsetting markets like Miami and Los Angeles to capture celebrity foot traffic.28:39–41:01 · Guy pushing back 3/10 Scaling Skittens Between Wholesale and Direct to Consumer Steve Bright asks whether to focus on wholesale or direct-to-consumer for Skittens. Guy and Joe push back on operating at a loss in wholesale and suggest strategic impulse retail placements alongside overseas margin optimization.

speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Guy 75.6% · guest 24.4%0:00 · Guy 75.6% · guest 24.4%3:00 · Guy 38.4% · guest 61.6%3:00 · Guy 38.4% · guest 61.6%6:00 · Guy 19.1% · guest 80.9%6:00 · Guy 19.1% · guest 80.9%9:00 · Guy 22.9% · guest 77.1%9:00 · Guy 22.9% · guest 77.1%12:00 · Guy 38.2% · guest 61.8%12:00 · Guy 38.2% · guest 61.8%15:00 · Guy 33.6% · guest 66.4%15:00 · Guy 33.6% · guest 66.4%18:00 · Guy 25.8% · guest 74.2%18:00 · Guy 25.8% · guest 74.2%21:00 · Guy 0% · guest 100%21:00 · Guy 0% · guest 100%24:00 · Guy 32.2% · guest 67.8%24:00 · Guy 32.2% · guest 67.8%27:00 · Guy 49.2% · guest 50.8%27:00 · Guy 49.2% · guest 50.8%30:00 · Guy 34.4% · guest 65.6%30:00 · Guy 34.4% · guest 65.6%33:00 · Guy 15.9% · guest 84.1%33:00 · Guy 15.9% · guest 84.1%36:00 · Guy 46.3% · guest 53.7%36:00 · Guy 46.3% · guest 53.7%39:00 · Guy 13.6% · guest 86.4%39:00 · Guy 13.6% · guest 86.4%42:00 · Guy 72.5% · guest 27.5%42:00 · Guy 72.5% · guest 27.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 39:55 Steve questions wholesale viability at breakeven

Steve pushes the advisors on whether taking a loss or breaking even in wholesale is acceptable to build awareness versus sticking purely to DTC.

 Hardest push from Guy ▶ 40:10 Joe Kudla rejects the premise of unscalable wholesale margins

Joe firmly counters the caller's consideration of taking wholesale losses, emphasizing that maintaining healthy margins through scalable manufacturing is essential.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:37 Lori explains the male-centric history of medical scrubs

Lori corrects Guy's generic assumption about traditional scrubs by clarifying they were originally designed specifically by and for men in operating rooms.

 Guy holds their own ▶ 11:19 Guy details Bumble's distribution blueprint for scrubs

Guy draws an insightful analogy to Whitney Wolfe's sorority marketing playbook at SMU to recommend seeding scrubs with local medical school students.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicGuy as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementGuy pushing backWhy
Scaling Green Cloud Apparel with Lori Boge 6411 Guy Raz and Joe Kudla advise Lori Boge on scaling her medical apparel line. Guy demonstrates tactical expertise by drawing parallels to Whitney Wolfe's grassroots sorority launch strategy with Bumble to suggest targeting female medical students.
International Expansion Strategy for My Name is Ted 6312 Brendan McEvoy seeks advice on scaling his Irish luxury handbag brand in the US. Guy offers sharp market insight by pinpointing specific high-end hotel boutiques in trendsetting markets like Miami and Los Angeles to capture celebrity foot traffic.
Scaling Skittens Between Wholesale and Direct to Consumer 6213 Steve Bright asks whether to focus on wholesale or direct-to-consumer for Skittens. Guy and Joe push back on operating at a loss in wholesale and suggest strategic impulse retail placements alongside overseas margin optimization.

Statements from this episode (7)

Disclosure
Kudla: Vuori's early marketing head took a 50% pay cut
“I mean, in my early days, our head of marketing took a 50% pay cut to join us because she believed in what we were building and she had some skin in the game.”
Joe Kudla Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 12:57
Disclosure
Kudla: Vuori's Initial Five-Store Nordstrom Test Failed
“We sold into five doors at Nordstrom and it didn't do well. You know, and it didn't do well because we were just too early to market and we hadn't built a community around the brand. We didn't have like a group of advocates and influencers and celebrities that…”
Joe Kudla Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 23:09
Insight
Kudla: Curated Wholesale and Seeding Beat Digital Advertising for Emerging Brands
“Advertising online is just, is challenging. It's hard to cut through in today's environment, so I really am a Much bigger believer in the right wholesale partners, the right activations at those wholesale partners to build awareness and getting the staff excit…”
Joe Kudla Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 25:24
Assertion Supported
Skittens Secures Vail Resorts Licensing for Seven Ski Trail Maps
“Yeah, we have licensing from Vail Resorts, and so we have seven of their trail maps on our skins.”
Steve Bright Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 30:42
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Skittens Invests $35,000 Total, Directing 75% to Patent Legal Fees
“So we put in about total of 35,000 dollars, and probably 75% of that has been legal fees for the patent here and abroad.”
Steve Bright Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 33:47
Insight
Kudla: Early Brands Should Prioritize Retail Staff Relationships Over Wholesale Breadth
“I'm a big believer in less is more initially sell into a few wholesale accounts and really be present, like show up, develop relationships with the staff on the floor. Get your product on them so they're wearing it, and then they get excited about it and want …”
Joe Kudla Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 35:40
Insight
Kudla: Brands Must Build Scalable Supply Chains to Protect Marketing Margins
“Margin is what empowers you to go out and market the brand and build a community. If your cost structure doesn't support you selling into wholesale, I would be looking really closely at that to see if there's a new supply chain that, that could give you that m…”
Joe Kudla Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 40:27
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