Aug 4, 2025 · 1h 8m · how-i-built-this
Simon Cowell: Music Mogul
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In this episode of How I Built This, Simon Cowell chronicles his rise from mailroom clerk to global entertainment mogul, detailing his instincts for commercial pop hits, the creation of powerhouse television franchises, and his enduring philosophy of unapologetic honesty.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 31.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 5.0 Guest teaching 2.3 Guest disagreement 1.4 Guy pushing back 1.1
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 51:25 Cowell condemns polite industry lies
Cowell forcefully rejects the social pressure for polite feedback, arguing that deceptive encouragement destroys careers while brutal truth builds resilience.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 50:31 Raz presses Cowell on callous audition critiquesRaz refuses to let Cowell off the hook regarding his harsh persona, highlighting how deeply crushed and humiliated vulnerable auditionees were.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 38:15 Cowell corrects the Spice Girls rejection mythCowell corrects Raz and music lore by demonstrating that he actively pursued the Spice Girls in their camper van and offered to double their contract.
Guy holds their own ▶ 17:57 Raz contextualizes Toy Boy within pop historyRaz articulates an astute musicological critique of Sinitta's track as a precursor to 90s girl groups, drawing Cowell's emphatic endorsement.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Simon Cowell's Philosophy on Tough Love in TV | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Host Guy Raz introduces the episode with a rich biographical narrative tracing Cowell's career from Harry Styles' audition to Syco Entertainment. | |
| Simon Cowell's Childhood and Early Rebellious Years | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Raz references Cowell's biography to explore his relationship with his parents and schooling rebellion, while Cowell elaborates on his childhood environment. | |
| From EMI Mailroom Hustle to A&R Ambitions | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | Cowell corrects Raz's assumption that he hated the mailroom job, clarifying that he disliked the sneering clerks but appreciated learning the publishing business. | |
| Scouting UK Dance Clubs and Launching Sinitta | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz inquires into Cowell's early A&R method, and Cowell outlines his strategy of scouting dance clubs and distributing white-label records for Sinitta. | |
| Commercial Pop Triumphs with Sinitta's Singles | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Raz demonstrates deep pop history insight by analyzing Toy Boy as a proto-Spice Girls track and discussing musical snobbery, earning Cowell's full agreement. | |
| Financial Ruin, Megamixes, and BMG Opportunity | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Cowell recounts hitting rock bottom, producing megamixes, being sued by George Michael, and leveraging the opposing counsel to secure a BMG consultant contract. | |
| Novelty Pop Culture Records and Label Ridicule | 5 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Cowell explains signing novelty acts like Zig and Zag and Power Rangers despite intense ridicule from orthodox A&R executives. | |
| The Massive Phenomenon of Robson and Jerome | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Cowell details discovering public demand for Unchained Melody through telesales and relentlessly hounding the Soldier Soldier actors into signing. | |
| Missing Spice Girls, Launching Westlife, and Loss | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | Cowell clarifies the widespread industry rumor that he passed on the Spice Girls, explaining he tried to double their deal before launching Westlife. | |
| Venturing into TV and American Idol's Explosion | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz and Cowell discuss the transition to television, creating Pop Idol with Simon Fuller, and Cowell's initial hesitation before launching American Idol. | |
| Defending Honest Critiques and Tough Love | 6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | Raz presses Cowell on the emotional harm inflicted by his early blunt judging persona, prompting Cowell to strongly defend honesty over polite Hollywood falsehoods. | |
| Creating One Direction and Syco Entertainment Management | 5 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Raz questions whether One Direction was artificially engineered, and Cowell explains the spontaneous formation of the group on X Factor. | |
| Fatherhood, Longevity, and a New Boyband Search | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Cowell discusses how fatherhood reoriented his focus toward enduring artistic quality rather than short-term television ratings. | |
| Reflections on Hustle, Mentorship, and Enduring Legacy | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Cowell reflects on the necessity of relentless hustle and mentorship, concluding with a lighthearted story about his son introducing him to One Direction. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Simon Cowell found A&R more exciting than slow-paced music publishing.
“I thought the fun job would be to be the person who signs the artists and makes the records, basically. Just for me, it was more exciting than being a music publisher, which is quite slow.”
Simon Cowell claims many music industry A&R executives are genuinely tone-deaf.
“You know, I don't think anyone even today is really trained to be an A&R person. I don't even know how people today, you know, get that job, because a lot of the A&R people I knew were genuinely tone deaf. Seriously.”
Simon Cowell: 1980s UK gay clubs predicted pop trends six months early.
“There was this kind of crossover period between what was happening in a lot of the gay clubs in the UK. They were kind of ahead of the curve. It was like, you want to know what's going to happen in six months time? You went to this club.”
Simon Cowell bases A&R decisions entirely on personal taste, not technical knowledge.
“What I never did, though, I never tried to pretend that I could produce a record or be a musician, because I couldn't, I can't produce records.
I can't play instruments.
I don't know what note anyone's any,
Singing it, whether it's C, B, D, or G, I have no ide…”
Simon Cowell hired the opposing lawyer who defeated him in a lawsuit.
“Unfortunately, George Michael didn't like the WAM Megamix. So we were taken to court and George Michael's lawyer was a guy called Tony Russell. So as we lost this case, I walked up to him and I said, Mr. Russell you absolutely killed us in there. Would you min…”
Simon Cowell prioritizes commercial entertainment over critical prestige in music.
“It's the music business. I'm just trying to make money. You know, it doesn't really matter. Does it? If someone's enjoying it, let them enjoy it. Who cares?”
Simon Cowell outlines 1990s retail reorder thresholds for UK chart hits.
“If you get three, 4005 thousand repeat orders on the first morning, you're heading to a top 10. You get 10 to 20,000, you're heading to a top five. You get 50,000 plus repeat orders, you're heading top to number one.”
Simon Cowell reveals a 1990s hit saw 930,000 first-morning retail reorders.
“And I saw this number, and I went, no, what is the real repeat order this morning? That number was 930,000.”
Simon Cowell offered to blindly double the Spice Girls' record deal.
“I get in my car, floor it back to my office, call the manager and said, look, I'll literally double whatever deal you've been offered if you haven't already signed. And he said, too late to sign.”
Simon Cowell took zero salary for American Idol to secure backend rights.
“And by the way, I didn't ask for any money for myself on both the British show and the American show on the first year. I said, I don't want a contract. I don't want to be paid. If it works, then we're going to have another conversation if it works.”
Simon Cowell demanded he not fake praise to join American Idol.
“When I agreed to do the show in America, I said, look, just so we're clear, I'm not going to pretend to like people I don't like. I'm just not.”
Simon Cowell refuses to do two different tasks in the same day.
“Don't do two things in the same day. You know, whatever it is, if I'm filming, I won't take a call. Won't look at an email. I will only concentrate on filming. And then when I'm doing something else, it has to be just that thing for the day.”