batteries

30 statements across 23 episodes · 15 bullish · 6 bearish · 19 people on the record · first statement Jan 18, 2022 by Shayle Kann · across every show →

Everything said about batteries, oldest first

Jan 18, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kann: Passenger transportation will clearly belong to electrochemistry
“Passenger transportation, for example, is clearly going to be the domain of electrochemistry, i.e. Batteries.”
Shayle Kann Jan 18, 2022 ▶ 2:46 Microbes, meat and materials: biotech meets climatetech
Mar 17, 2022 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Schroeder: EV market will use multiple battery chemistries, not one holy grail
“I definitely am not a believer in a single holy grail of batteries that, that solves all problems. I think it's, you know, it's going to be a number of solutions to solve different application cases”
Dave Schroeder Mar 17, 2022 ▶ 24:51 When will batteries take over the world?
Mar 17, 2022 positive
Assertion Supported
Schroeder: Batteries charging at 10C in six minutes already exist
“You can get batteries that, that can charge at 10 C or even faster. So 10 C would be 10 times its full capacity in an hour. So that would be, you know, a six minute zero to a hundred percent state of charge.”
Dave Schroeder Mar 17, 2022 ▶ 10:18 When will batteries take over the world?
Mar 17, 2022 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Schroeder: Silicon-dominant battery anodes will soon become prevalent
“People have been working at it for a long time, but I think we're getting close to where some of these silicon dominant anode materials will start to become prevalent.”
Dave Schroeder Mar 17, 2022 ▶ 18:56 When will batteries take over the world?
Mar 17, 2022 neutral
Insight
Pierpoint: Monetizing grid storage requires renewable-driven price volatility
“The problem is that electricity is cheap and batteries are operated intermittently, so making money on storage can be tricky if you don't have a lot of renewables that Produce significant price volatility.”
Lara Pierpoint Mar 17, 2022 ▶ 3:50 When will batteries take over the world?
Jul 21, 2022 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Jaffe: Automotive OEMs will dictate EV battery chemistry in the future
“All, all of the companies are going towards that template where the car company now is going to be, in the future, the determinant of exactly what it, what those batteries are composed of.”
Sam Jaffe Jul 21, 2022 ▶ 15:02 Seeking the holy grail of batteries
Sep 9, 2022 negative
Opinion
Beard: Using geothermal baseload merely to mine battery lithium is a distraction
“And so, when I see geothermal in the media as a lithium play, really, I mean, if you look at it, if you back up and look at that, what you're thinking is, oh, ok, good, we'll use this clean, awesome, ubiquitous, baseload energy source to mine lithium to make b…”
Jamie Beard Sep 9, 2022 ▶ 36:21 Could geothermal become a major zero-emissions player?
Sep 29, 2022 positive
Assertion Partly supported
Jaffe: California Holds 5 GWh of Batteries Installed Within 36 Months
“California has about five gigawatt hours worth of batteries, almost all of which have come, come in the last 36 months, and essentially kept California from going into rolling blackouts in the recent heat wave.”
Sam Jaffe Sep 29, 2022 ▶ 28:59 Is the Inflation Reduction Act a win for EVs and batteries?
Oct 27, 2022 bullish
Opinion
Steele: Solar home systems need no new tech breakthroughs to scale
“Honestly, the great thing about this is that there's very little technology development that needs to happen. You know, there's been, And batteries are already kind of where they need to be at. PV is where it needs to be at, the electronics, all of that.”
Kate Steele Oct 27, 2022 ▶ 19:13 Climatetech for developing economies
Dec 1, 2022 negative
Opinion
Chase: Current home battery software cannot economically optimize dispatch
“Batteries for residential solar systems are becoming standard offers in Europe and in the U.S., Frankly, some of the sales proposals are of indifferent veracity, and the current software isn't up to economically optimizing when batteries charge and discharge.”
Jenny Chase Dec 1, 2022 ▶ 35:19 Unpopular solar opinions, 2022 edition
Oct 5, 2023
Insight
Thiel: Small EV drivetrain efficiency gains matter due to battery storage costs
“But a few points in efficiency, Might actually matter a lot at the system level, because every kilowatt hour that you waste in the drivetrain is a kilowatt hour that you have to store in your battery, and that's a really, really expensive kilowatt hour to stor…”
Dr. Greg Thiel Oct 5, 2023 ▶ 25:54 Climate tech startups need strong techno-economic analysis (TEA)
Oct 19, 2023 positive
Assertion Supported
Pantano: New induction stoves use built-in batteries to run on 120-volt outlets
“So one good example of this is some new induction stoves that are being brought to market, which have a bank of batteries where the warming drawer would ordinarily be. They also plug into the wall so they can also run off a 120 volts, replace a gas stove and t…”
Steve Pantano Oct 19, 2023 ▶ 34:17 The pace of home electrification
Apr 4, 2024 bearish
Insight
Steingart: Battery Recycling Margin Gains Will Be Quickly Eroded by Price Competition
“So, so, in a perfectly efficient market, recycling is just a tolling operation, where it is, will exist to an extent that it can keep its costs neutral, and every time there's an advance that lowers the cost of recycling, there will be a year or two where that…”
Dan Steingart Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 35:28 The world of battery recycling
Apr 11, 2024 negative
Opinion
Steingart: 5-minute charging batteries with zero explosion risk are likely impossible
“So the question is, is how do we have a battery that it gets us a 300 mile range that can be charged in five minutes that has zero danger of exploding, right? And that's probably Impossible, completely, but understanding how and why they explode is something r…”
Dan Steingart Apr 11, 2024 ▶ 13:17 The Big Switch: Are Batteries the New Oil?
Apr 11, 2024 positive
Opinion
Moerenhout: The world's best batteries and cathodes are Chinese technology
“If you look today at the best type of batteries, the best cathodes in the world, that is Chinese technology.”
Tom Moerenhout Apr 11, 2024 ▶ 28:30 The Big Switch: Are Batteries the New Oil?
May 23, 2024 positive
Insight
Shah: Zero-backfeed VPPs bypass utility permission hurdles by only offsetting load
“And so if you make a simplifying assumption, which is that no one is backfeeding anything into the grid. Right? Right? That the batteries you know, basically use case here is to make your home go off grid. Right? Sort of an energy efficiency play. So your home…”
Jigar Shah May 23, 2024 ▶ 30:27 Could VPPs save rooftop solar?
May 23, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Shah: 400,000 MW of batteries are in US interconnection queues
“We have 400,000 megawatts of batteries in interconnection queues.”
Jigar Shah May 23, 2024 ▶ 39:10 Could VPPs save rooftop solar?
Jun 6, 2024 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Baglino: Clean energy material recycling will make long-term supply manageable
“These materials, once they're kind of deployed, they will be redeployed in some fashion with not perfect recovery, but to the point where the ongoing resource requirement is just, is not that challenging.”
Drew Baglino Jun 6, 2024 ▶ 47:51 Drew Baglino on Tesla’s Master Plan
Jul 25, 2024 neutral
Assertion Contradicted
Berdichevsky: Solar has 10x higher value per kilo than batteries
“There's like a 10 X difference in the value per kilo of the good between batteries and solar. So it's still a lot more efficient and effective and faster to ship solar around the world than it is with batteries.”
Gene Berdichevsky Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 28:04 The EV market’s awkward teenage years
Sep 19, 2024
Insight
Kann: Battery material discovery requires co-optimizing complex material interactions
“In battery world, nothing exists in a vacuum. So you can't create a novel material and then be done with it. You have to figure out not only the material, but then its interaction with all the other materials, which are also in flux. And that's part of what ma…”
Shayle Kann Sep 19, 2024 ▶ 28:00 Can AI revolutionize materials discovery?
Oct 31, 2024 positive
Insight
Thiel: Small EV drivetrain efficiency gains matter because batteries are expensive
“The biggest, biggest single line item cost in an electric vehicle is, is the batteries, and a lot of the drivetrain, you know, power conversion equipment, motors, and so forth, are really, really efficient, and so it could be tempting to kind of, if you're loo…”
Dr. Greg Thiel Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 26:24 Why climate tech startups get this one thing wrong
Mar 13, 2025 bullish
Opinion
Kann: Electrochemistry holds massive decarbonization potential in heavy industry
“In the greatest hits album of electrochemistry, you'd have a lot of tracks focused on batteries, for sure, and for good reason. But there are deeper cuts, too, and some new music with pretty extraordinary potential. Anyway, think tracks on cement and steel and…”
Shayle Kann Mar 13, 2025 ▶ 3:22 An ode to electrochemistry
May 20, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Nuclear and gas lead times make batteries the immediate grid solution
“Nukes are probably five or 10 or more years out. New gas generation. You can't get a new gas generator for probably four or six years at the very shortest. And so the most immediate and economical solution is really that those renewables and batteries.”
Tristan Doherty May 20, 2025 ▶ 23:20 A former race car engineer on battery safety and supply chains [partner content]
May 20, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Data centers will drive widespread battery deployment across the grid
“Yes, I think we'll see a lot of batteries at data centers. I think we'll see a lot of batteries on the grid next to data centers. I think we'll see a lot of batteries That are on the grid far away from data centers. I think we're just going to see a lot of bat…”
Tristan Doherty May 20, 2025 ▶ 24:07 A former race car engineer on battery safety and supply chains [partner content]
Oct 9, 2025
Disclosure
Dell: Base Power is designing and manufacturing its own batteries
“On the hardware side, we're designing and manufacturing our own batteries.”
Zach Dell Oct 9, 2025 ▶ 13:46 How Base Power plans to use its fresh $1B
Oct 15, 2025 neutral
Assertion Supported
Battery makers offer 20-year warranties on products with 5-year track records
“Same thing with batteries. They're guaranteeing their product for 15, maybe 20 years, although their product may be in the field for a maximum of three or five years.”
Jamie Daggett Oct 15, 2025 ▶ 5:15 How insurance can narrow the valley of death [partner content]
Feb 12, 2026 bearish
Insight
Siegel: Battery saturation in ERCOT has compressed incremental investment returns
“A couple of years ago, we transitioned Intercut from a market that relies heavily on ancillary services to support batteries, and that was very robust. We built into that. That market was overwhelmed with supply, and then when you move out of the sort of small…”
Paul Siegel Feb 12, 2026 ▶ 39:09 PJM and ERCOT navigate a capacity rollercoaster
Mar 30, 2026 bullish
Assertion Supported
McAvoy: Data centers are funding off-site batteries to speed up grid interconnection
“We are seeing data centers like, you know, and even retail Energy providers who are coming to a utility hand in hand and saying, look, we want to put a data center here. I'm the retail energy provider. I'm going to provide this data center with energy. I neede…”
Sean McAvoy Mar 30, 2026 ▶ 21:27 Battery booms and the rise of flexibility [partner content]
Mar 30, 2026 negative
Opinion
McAvoy: Solar and storage alone cannot fully power data centers
“They're not the answer. They are supplemental energy that can help, and they're kind of filling a gap until, you know, more jet generation comes online, and depends on what form of that jet generation can be.”
Sean McAvoy Mar 30, 2026 ▶ 21:05 Battery booms and the rise of flexibility [partner content]
Apr 9, 2026 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Data centers will install large-scale behind-the-meter battery storage systems
“We're going to put a lot of batteries behind the meter at data centers. Like, I'm pretty convinced that that's going to happen.”
Shayle Kann Apr 9, 2026 ▶ 40:28 The rise of flexible data centers
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