leverage

27 statements across 26 episodes · 4 bullish · 9 bearish · 26 people on the record · first statement May 30, 2017 by Jeffrey Solomon · across every show →

Everything said about leverage, oldest first

May 30, 2017 positive
Insight
Solomon: Avoiding leverage lets investors survive stress and stay in trades
“We've never really been a big user of leverage. So we definitely lived through periods of stress and pricing, but we've recognized that as long as you're not leveraged and forced out of the trade at an inopportune time, you can last a long time.”
Jeffrey Solomon May 30, 2017 ▶ 14:28 Jeffrey Solomon – Vision, Tenacity, and Empathy (Capital Allocators, EP.09)
Jul 17, 2017 negative
Insight
Blitz: Investors are poorly compensated for crowded, high-leverage strategies in illiquid markets
“And when you start combining highly leveraged strategies with strategies that are crowded, where people are looking at similar factors in a market that we still think is fairly illiquid, you know, in our view, those are risks that you're not particularly well,…”
Adam Blitz Jul 17, 2017 ▶ 21:00 Adam Blitz – Inside Hedge Fund Allocation (Capital Allocators, EP.17)
Nov 13, 2017 bearish
Opinion
Jenkins: PE subscription lines create unpriced, hidden market leverage
“I think there's more leverage in the market than people realize, and we just, no one has yet sort of cogently spoken about it, but there's, it's a lot of little things that actually together add up to a lot, and so, you know, like all this stuff with the, with…”
Meredith Jenkins Nov 13, 2017 ▶ 50:47 Meredith Jenkins – A Path to Trinity (Capital Allocators, EP.31)
Jan 8, 2018 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Mauboussin: Liquidity, Not Leverage, Will Be The Next Major Market Systemic Challenge
“I don't suspect leverage is going to be the next big challenge, I do think liquidity might be the case.”
Michael Mauboussin Jan 8, 2018 ▶ 1:02:17 Michael Mauboussin – Active Challenges, Rational Decisions and Team Dynamics (Capital Allocators, EP.36)
Apr 2, 2018
Insight
Andy Redleaf: Outperforming an index mathematically requires leverage, concentration, or turnover
“Returns above an index have to, mathematically, they have, the possible sources are leverage, concentration, or turnover.”
Andy Redleaf Apr 2, 2018 ▶ 51:08 Andy Redleaf - Evolution of Markets (Capital Allocators, EP.46)
Sep 17, 2018
Insight
McKeon: Risk-taking CEOs run firms with higher leverage and volatility
“So essentially the CEOs that had higher levels of risk taking in their private lives, we saw the same attributes in the firm. So everything from higher leverage, Higher prevalence of M&A activity, higher equity return volatility. It was almost like everything …”
Stephen McKeon Sep 17, 2018 ▶ 15:28 Stephen McKeon – Professor of Crypto Security Tokens (Capital Allocators, EP.69)
May 6, 2019 positive
Insight
Employing portfolio leverage effectively is a distinct investment skill
“Using leverage is its own skill. I mean, I don't want to act like that's easy. You just put five percent on and leave it. That's not my point at all. People would poo-poo hedge fund guys say, well, they're just long short with leverage. And I'm like, well, yea…”
Jon Hirtle May 6, 2019 ▶ 53:55 Jon Hirtle – The Pioneer of OCIO (Capital Allocators, EP.98)
Jul 22, 2019 negative
Disclosure
BlackRock LTPC eschews dividend recaps and maximum leverage for moderate debt
“We're not going to use leverage to max it out and dividend recap, because that's really doesn't work in our model. We're going to use leverage in a moderate way, but we will be able to use it and increase the leverage on a timely basis, but really in an effort…”
André Bourbonnais Jul 22, 2019 ▶ 32:05 André Bourbonnais – Blackrock Long-Term Private Capital (First Meeting, EP.04)
Nov 11, 2019 neutral
Insight
Karp: Low-beta strategies traditionally rely on leverage to boost small alpha
“The market neutral or very low beta strategies have always employed a fair amount of leverage to make small alpha streams look better.”
Jason Karp Nov 11, 2019 ▶ 18:02 Jason Karp – From Hedge Funds to Health and Wellness at HumanCo (First Meeting, EP.12)
Feb 17, 2020 bullish
Insight
Leveraged equities with multiple expansion deliver outsized returns
“We're going to focus on the ones that are levered because when they get multiple expansion and they're levered, that's where you really make a ton of money.”
Dan Rasmussen Feb 17, 2020 ▶ 28:26 Dan Rasmussen – Private Equity Risk and Public Equity Opportunity at Verdad Advisers (First Meeting, EP.15)
Apr 6, 2020 bearish
Opinion
Peters: Private equity managers are the most over-leveraged actors in markets
“Everyone's over levered, and private equity guys, they're the worst in terms of this.”
Eric Peters Apr 6, 2020 ▶ 38:25 Eric Peters – Trading and Evolution at One River (First Meeting, EP.18)
Feb 8, 2021 neutral
Disclosure
Baran: Symphony operates with zero leverage and no shorting
“We never lever. We're a terrible prime brokerage client. We don't short, and we don't borrow money.”
David Baran Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 47:17 David Baran and Kazuhiko Shibata – Friendly Activism in Japan at Symphony (Capital Allocators, EP.176)
Jul 8, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Grantham: Venture capital uses very little leverage compared to other classes
“Ironically, leverage plays the least role in venture capital. Most of them have relatively little leverage. It's equity money.”
Jeremy Grantham Jul 8, 2021 ▶ 52:13 Jeremy Grantham – GMO (Manager Meetings, EP.01)
Jul 26, 2021 bearish
Disclosure
A 2008 Bridge Loan Wipeout Made Ostrover Reluctant to Use Leverage
“Well, the crisis got worse after we bought it, and some of these loans fell 20, 30 points. Well, if you take 20 points times four, you've lost 80%. You take it times five, your equity is negative. And that's what we went through in 2008. And so I've been reall…”
Doug Ostrover Jul 26, 2021 ▶ 57:21 Private Equity Masters 6 – Doug Ostrover – Blue Owl Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.205)
Dec 6, 2021 neutral
Assertion Supported
Sports leagues ban institutional funds from using leverage or holding governance control
“You're not allowed to use leverage. You're not allowed to use the assets as collateral in a back levering package. You're not allowed to have formal governance control.”
Ian Charles Dec 6, 2021 ▶ 55:14 Ian Charles & Doc O'Connor – Investing in Sports Teams at Arctos Sports Partners (Capital Allocators, EP.225)
Dec 5, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Khajuria: Many buyouts are being completed with little to no leverage
“And a lot of buyouts these days, as we found in the financial crisis, are being done with less leverage or in some cases no leverage.”
Sachin Khajuria Dec 5, 2022 ▶ 47:05 Sachin Khajuria – Two and Twenty, An Insider's Take on Private Equity (Capital Allocators, EP.285)
Jan 9, 2023 positive
Insight
Leveraged co-investment forces managers to prioritize downside protection
“If you've got investors with leverage, they're focused on not losing money, number one. The leverage works both ways, and they're focused on really compounding wealth over the long term”
Gregg Lemkau Jan 9, 2023 ▶ 29:35 Gregg Lemkau - The Evolution of MSD (Capital Allocators, EP.291)
May 11, 2023 neutral
What-if
Craib: Jim Simons would make no money without leverage
“Jim Simons would make absolutely no money if it weren't for leverage. That's just how, how it works.”
Richard Craib May 11, 2023 ▶ 31:59 Richard Craib – Crowdsourcing Data Science for Returns at Numerai (Capital Allocators, EP.314)
May 29, 2023 negative
Insight
Fagan: Allocators who feel comfortable with leverage are doing something wrong
“I honestly don't think you're ever comfortable with that. If you're comfortable with leverage, you are doing something wrong.”
Dan Fagan May 29, 2023 ▶ 39:23 Hedge Fund Master Class – Craig Bergstrom, Adam Blitz, and Dan Fagan (Capital Allocators, EP.318)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet buyout co-investments target 3-4x leverage at entry
“The capital structure dynamics is also, I would say, more consistent than different. They tend to be anywhere between three to four times in leverage and entry. So when we see a deal that's four and a half times or more, we tend to raise our eyebrows.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 41:01 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Jun 3, 2024 neutral
Disclosure
SWIB reduced portfolio leverage to 12% amid an inverted yield curve
“We're currently at about 12% leverage, so we have 112% invested for every dollar that we have in assets, and that used to be higher when the yield curve was not inverted. It makes much more sense to do this when the yield curve is more normal, so we used to ha…”
Anne-Marie Fink Jun 3, 2024 ▶ 27:56 Anne-Marie Fink - Cutting Edge Pension Investing at SWIB (EP.389)
Jan 16, 2025
Disclosure
Isch: Wellington operates on the lower end of multi-strat leverage deployment
“If you look at the spectrum of what's out there, we're probably going to be on the lower end of the amount of leverage we deploy. We want to be on the client friendly side across multiple dimensions, one of which is liquidity. And we want to be able to stay in…”
Roberto Ish Jan 16, 2025 ▶ 38:52 Mark Sullivan and Roberto Isch – Hedge Fund Investing at Wellington (EP.427)
Sep 1, 2025 negative
Opinion
Future Fund avoids brand-name PE managers that rely on leverage over operations
“Well, there's a lot of brand names we don't have, and it varies why, but one of the most significant reasons is because they just use leverage we found to juice up their returns, and we don't think that's attractive.”
Raphael Arndt Sep 1, 2025 ▶ 44:09 CIO Greatest Hits: Sovereign Wealth Funds – Raphael Arndt (Australia Future Fund)
Oct 13, 2025
Disclosure
CPPIB Uses Leverage Only to Tailor Risk, Not Beat Benchmarks
“We are risk targeters, so we can't build a portfolio and then just lever it up to beat a benchmark. That comes down to really discipline, build the best portfolio we can, the most diversified portfolio we can, and then we do use some leverage to tailor the ris…”
John Graham Oct 13, 2025 ▶ 42:09 John Graham – Evolution of the Canadian Model at CPPIB (EP.465)
Nov 20, 2025 neutral
What-if
Mahr: LTCM Would Not Have Failed Without 50x Leverage
“If long-term capital management hadn't been running a fifty-x leveraged strategy, They wouldn't have ended up in the trouble that they ended up with.”
Daniel Mahr Nov 20, 2025 ▶ 37:45 Daniel Mahr – Glass Box Quant at MDT Advisers (EP.472)
Apr 27, 2026 negative
Disclosure
Perelman: Garnett Station rarely uses upfront leverage in consolidations
“The way that we counteract the speed point with safety of principle and downside protection is we rarely use leverage up front in these consolidations.”
Matt Perelman Apr 27, 2026 ▶ 38:06 Alex Sloane & Matt Perelman – Buy-and-Build Playbook in the Core Economy at GSP (EP.499)
Apr 27, 2026 neutral
Insight
Perelman: Rollups fail primarily due to leverage and poor integration
“Well, if you think about what blows up roll-ups over time, at least in our experience, it's two things. It's leverage and lack of integration.”
Matt Perelman Apr 27, 2026 ▶ 41:22 Alex Sloane & Matt Perelman – Buy-and-Build Playbook in the Core Economy at GSP (EP.499)
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