frontier models
also referred to as: frontier model
10 statements across 9 episodes · 3 bullish · 6 bearish · 9 people on the record · first statement Jul 10, 2024 by Matt Wood · across every show →
Everything said about frontier models, oldest first
Jul 10, 2024 positive
Wood: Smaller specialized models beat frontier models on deep enterprise tasks
“I am absolutely positive that the inverse is also true. That you can find older, smaller, specialized models, ah, that, ah, will, ah, will offer much better, higher quality, lower hallucination results on specific tasks at the depth that most organizations nee…”
Jan 29, 2025 negative
Hoffman: Independent startups cannot economically build frontier consumer AI models
“The basic thought from an inflection standpoint is that the original model wouldn't really work, which is building frontier models for doing a consumer agent that the cost curves to the revenue curves and what you would have to do wouldn't work as a startup.”
Dec 24, 2025 neutral
Mar 25, 2026 bearish
Yen: Frontier AI training costs will plummet to $1M in years
“What I mean by this is today, if you want to train a top of the line, you know, our frontier model, that might cost you a couple billion dollars.
But in a couple of years, that might be fifty million to, you know, a hundred million.
And then a few more years o…”
Jun 26, 2026 bullish
Brockman: Today's frontier AI intelligence will be much cheaper within a year
“I think the thing you should anticipate is that over a year long time horizon to get to today's level of intelligence that feels very premier, it's going to be much cheaper. But there's going to be a new thing that is going to be so much better.”
Jul 6, 2026 bearish
Siegler: Frontier AI models face diminishing returns despite massive costs
“Everyone's starting to recognize that there might be a world in which like, you don't want to have the frontier models because you're in charge of the cost of that. And the returns are going to be more and more diminishing over time now.”
Jul 20, 2026 bearish
Jul 20, 2026 bearish
Jul 29, 2026 bearish
Jul 29, 2026 positive
Shao: Kimi K3 is cheaper than frontier models while nearing parity
“And even despite, you know, Kimi K three being said is a token hungry model. It's not as cheap as other Chinese models. The task per, I think the task per token usage is still quite high. It's still cheaper. It's still cheaper than the most frontier models and…”