Andy Yen

CEO and Founder, Proton · 1 appearance on the record.

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Andy Yen is the co-founder and CEO of Proton, a Swiss privacy-focused tech company providing end-to-end encrypted tools like Proton Mail. Holding a PhD in particle physics from Harvard University, he is an advocate for encryption, online privacy rights, and Big Tech antitrust reform.

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2 predictions · 3 assertions · 3 opinions · 2 insights · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 5 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 3 are resolved, and 2 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Andy argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Yen: Opting out of AI training does not prevent data collection indefinitely
“Even if they don't use it for training, they can still store it for a long time, actually forever. They can still hand it over to a government under a subpoena. They could leak it if they were hacked in the future. So just because you've opted out of training …”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 1:13 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen

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Everything Andy Yen said on Big Technology that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Yen: Social media is 'not so much different' than crack dealers
“What is social media? I view it literally not so much different than the neighborhood you know, pot or crack dealer. It's there to get kids hooked and addicted and put a lifetime of interdependency.”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 10:43 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Opinion
Yen: Responsible parents knowing Google's model wouldn't sign up their children
“I think you cannot be a responsible parent today, know what Google does, and willingly sign up your child into that ecosystem.”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 18:17 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Yen: AIs will soon discern who we are better than psychologists
“AIs are going to get better at discerning who we are than probably even a psychologist.”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 5:38 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Yen: Frontier AI training costs will plummet to $1M in years
“What I mean by this is today, if you want to train a top of the line, you know, our frontier model, that might cost you a couple billion dollars. But in a couple of years, that might be fifty million to, you know, a hundred million. And then a few more years o…”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 28:44 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Assertion Supported
Yen: Opting out of AI training does not prevent data collection indefinitely
“Even if they don't use it for training, they can still store it for a long time, actually forever. They can still hand it over to a government under a subpoena. They could leak it if they were hacked in the future. So just because you've opted out of training …”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 1:13 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Opinion
Yen: Gemini supercharges Google's surveillance model far beyond traditional search
“If you use Gemini instead of Google search, It is really supercharging Google's ability to understand who you are, and it knows a lot more than if you were just using a search product. So it's, you could think of it as Google's business model, but now on stero…”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 2:51 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Insight
Yen: Gmail exists primarily to permanently log users into Google's tracker
“And why did Google go so quickly into email? The reason is because they figured out in order to get all your information and correlate it to a single profile, they need you to be logged in. And the one thing that you're always logged into all the time online i…”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 14:53 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Insight
Yen: Nvidia backs open AI models primarily to sell more GPUs
“Nvidia sells GPUs. They don't sell proprietary models. And if they have great open models that everybody can use, then everybody is going to buy GPUs.”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 29:46 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Assertion Partly supported
Proton survey: 70% of kids have smartphones by 10, mostly using Gmail
“Today around 70% of kids have access to a smartphone by the age of 10, right? This is like seven and 10. And of those, actually, around three quarters are using Gmail.”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 7:25 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen
Assertion Partly supported
Proton survey: 60% of parents want to erase kids' Big Tech data
“41% of parents say that if they could start over and do things differently with putting their children online, they actually would want to, you know, start over. And 60% would want to be able to erase all the information about the kid that today is on these bi…”
Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 ▶ 8:00 Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Is AI A Privacy Disaster? And How To Fight Back. — With Andy Yen Mar 25, 2026 21m
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