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Chamath: Vertical SaaS Is Easily Replicated Workflows, Not Moats
“I don't think vertical SaaS has a system of record. I don't think that's what they do. I think they're workflows. This is the key point where these horizontal monolithic companies like Salesforce are just unique. Workday, Oracle with respect to their GL. It's …”
Chamath: Veeva built a $20B+ company because Salesforce fails its purpose
“How can a twenty billion dollar plus company get built on top of Salesforce? It's because it doesn't do what it's meant to do. That's why.”
Sacks: Enterprises will not replace core CRM systems with vibe-coded software
“I do not believe that core systems of record like CRM are going to get ripped and replaced with something vibe coded.”
Friedberg: The 'SaaS-pocalypse' threatens vertical SaaS rather than horizontal platforms
“I think that's kind of how I view this, the real SaaS-pocalypse. It's more of a vertical SaaS-pocalypse. Which is software that's designed for just one vertical.”
Benioff: Top 10 enterprise software companies trade at two times sales
“I looked at the top 10 major enterprise software companies. They all had great quarters. And they're all trading in two times sales.”
Sacks: Enterprises will still need deterministic systems of record despite AI
“Well, first of all, I think AI models are predictive. I mean, at the end of the day, they're predicting the next set of texts and so forth. And when it comes to like your employee list or your customer list, you just want to have a source of truth. You don't w…”
Monolithic enterprise software firms face massive layoffs over next decade
“And so you're going to have to go through this very complicated cycle of recycling, you know, the business model, which unfortunately will mean tons of layoffs. That's not a today thing, but over these next five and 10 years, that's probably what's going to ha…”
Chamath: Legacy software companies except Salesforce remain unprofitable
“All of the old legacy software companies, ex of Salesforce, have still not got to profitability.”
Chamath: Microsoft forced Slack into acquisition by Salesforce
“And in many ways, David, it forced the hand of Slack to be acquired by Salesforce.”
Chamath reveals Slack was forced to sell to Salesforce to survive Microsoft
“We had to compete with him at Slack when he was, you know, he decided to turn the sites on on with teams onto us, we had no choice but to basically sell to Salesforce.”
Calacanis: Slack will ultimately be more important than Salesforce
“I think Slack will be more important than Salesforce ultimately in business.”
Sacks: Salesforce offered $250M for Yammer before opting to build Chatter
“They were interested in buying the company for around two hundred fifty million dollars.”
Calacanis: Elon Musk banned Salesforce at his companies over pricing dispute
“So much so, That I don't know if you remember Elon getting into a public spat with him where he's like, Salesforce is horrible software. Get it out of the organization. He basically banned it because they came to him with the bottom up people using of Salesfor…”
Benioff: Salesforce would not exist without Tony Robbins
“Hey, if it wasn't for Tony Robbins, I don't think there would be a Salesforce, so there you go.”
Benioff: Salesforce will probably spend $300M on Anthropic in 2026
“Like, I am gonna probably use three hundred million dollars of Anthropic this year at Salesforce coding.”
Benioff: Salesforce will reach over $46B revenue and $16B cash flow this year
“Look, we'll do over forty six billion this year, more than sixteen billion in cash flow.”
Salesforce has focused all 75,000 employees entirely on Agentforce
“This is all I'm doing. Just try to take our company, you know, we have a, Great company, thirty-eight billion revenue, 75,000 employees, hundreds of thousands of customers, and one focus agent force.”
Salesforce Atlas AI solves Disney employee queries with over 90% accuracy
“Atlas delivers for Disney, for their cast members, which are their employees, through extremely complex, ah, problems that it's solving for them, more than 90% accuracy and almost no hallucinations. And in some cases, 95% accuracy and almost no hallucinations.”
Salesforce expects 1,000 Agentforce customers by the end of September 2024
“And by the end of this month, we'll have more than a thousand customers on our Agent Force platform.”
Salesforce stock drop driven by public investors seeking an escape hatch
“The reason it's down 20% is I think folks have internalized a different set of risks, and then they've found an escape hatch where they have plausible deniability for selling.”
David Sacks claims Marc Benioff acquired Slack to directly target Microsoft Office
“And they gotta be worried about Salesforce now buying Slack. I mean, that is Benioff has been wanting to go after office for a long time, and this is his way to do it.”
Calacanis: Slack's board selling the company was a stupid business move
“Conversely, I'm picking my dumbest business move with Slack's board selling Slack. This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.”
Chamath: Slack under Salesforce will disrupt corporate email
“What they did get, whether they know it or not, is an intercompany edge effect, which is the most disruptive thing to email. And in the hands of Salesforce and that sales team, I think it has the ability to really Be a very disruptive force for good in enterpr…”
Sacks: AI will not eliminate Salesforce but could limit growth
“What if it doesn't eliminate, I don't think AI is going to get rid of Salesforce, but it could eat into their growth opportunity.”
Calacanis: Per-seat SaaS models fail when customer headcount expansion stalls
“If you have a static number of employees or less employees, like many of these companies do, There's just less seats to sell. So their whole growth was based on land and expand. You land the client and then you expand the client because they're adding staff. I…”
Salesforce lost $40B market cap in worst day in 20 years
“Salesforce had its worst day in the markets in nearly 20 years on Thursday, and that's when we taped this. They lost about forty billion dollars in market cap”
Marc Benioff will figure out how to capitalize on AI
“So my guess is he's going to figure out how to take advantage of this AI trend for the company. They're not going to miss it. They're not going to get caught totally flat footed.”
Gerstner: Booking.com diluted shareholders 5% over 15 years vs 25% for Salesforce
“If you look over the last 15 years, if I'm an owner of Booking.com, I was only diluted by about five percent. If I was an owner of Salesforce or Expedia, I was diluted by about 25%.”
Calacanis: Slack's percentage growth rate inside Salesforce matched its independent growth rate
“And if you look at Slack itself, it's still growing the same percentage growth it did inside of Salesforce that it did as an independent company. So it's growing at a similar pace.”
Sacks: Salesforce net new ARR dropped two-thirds quarter-over-quarter in late 2022
“Basically their net new ARR that they just added in the previous quarter dropped two thirds compared to the previous quarter, but because their sales and marketing spend was the same as the previous quarter, it exploded their CAC payback, which means the amoun…”
Sacks: Yammer sold to Microsoft for 5x Salesforce's $250M acquisition offer
“Anyway, it turned out to be much better for us because we ended up selling the company for five times as much to Microsoft.”
Benioff: Salesforce is building AI coding tools inside Slack
“We're even working on technology inside Slack, To make it easier for everybody to code. So I think it's going to be really breaking news there. You're going to see some cool stuff with slack and code.”
Benioff: Salesforce operates in China exclusively through Alibaba partnership
“We don't have any offices or employees in China, we never have. The only time we end up with any residue in China is when we buy a company, and they have a presence over there, and then we have to divest from it. We have an exclusive partnership with Alibaba, …”
Friedberg: Salesforce trades below 10 times free cash flow
“Salesforce today is down nine percent. One hundred forty billion enterprise value on fifteen billion of free cash flow. This thing is trading at less than 10 times free cash flow.”
Benioff claims Salesforce's quarterly cash flow exceeded Coca-Cola's
“Look, I think that, you know, that the growth obviously is incredible to thirty eight billion and obviously the cash flow is incredible. You know, it's more than Coca-Cola did, I think last quarter and the margin is incredible.”
Calacanis: Salesforce bought a retreat center to combat remote work isolation
“Salesforce just bought a retreat syndrome, and we saw this south of the city the Bay Area, and because Benioff's got a concern, I guess, that all these employees he hired over two years who've never met another Salesforce employee are getting weird and lonely,…”
Chamath reveals he sold 50% of his Slack shares before acquisition
“For, of a hundred shares that I owned, per every hundred that I owned 10 of them I sold at 38 right at the direct listing. I want to say 40 of them I sold in the mid-twenties, and the rest of it just got taken out at this price.”
Calacanis: Salesforce’s $27.7B Slack deal is highest SaaS acquisition price
“Salesforce in a record transaction for a SaaS company, I think it's the highest ever paid for a SaaS company, twenty seven billion dollars, 27.7 billion dollars for Slack, which has only been public for just over a year, I think.”