May 13, 2021 · 1h 23m · allin
E32: Behind the scenes of Elon hosting SNL, CDC failures, America's real-time UBI experiment & more
Jason Calacanis · 24m spoken David Sacks · 18m spoken Chamath Palihapitiya · 16m spoken David Friedberg · 15m spoken
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In Episode 32 of the All-In Podcast, Jason Calacanis recounts his backstage experience helping Elon Musk host Saturday Night Live, while the hosts analyze macroeconomic pressures including Fed policy and inflation, dissect CDC guidance flaws and state governance issues, discuss legacy media attacks on tech podcasters, and explore breakthrough frontiers in synthetic biology.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 6.0 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 2.5 The hosts pushing back 3.4
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:27 Sacks vs. Jason on comedy and PC sensitivity
Sacks argues that audience and writer sensitivity over mild Asperger's jokes makes comedy lame and unwatchable, which Jason forcefully opposes by asserting the joke landed and worked.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 26:18 Sacks rejects Jason's explanation of NY mask cultureWhen Jason suggests New Yorkers wear masks outdoors out of mutual respect, Sacks flatly rejects the premise, framing it as blue team virtue signaling akin to a MAGA hat.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 1:13:48 Friedberg educates on synthetic nitrogen fertilizer's environmental impactFriedberg explains the biochemistry of ammonia fertilizer, showing how unabsorbed nitrogen converts into nitrous oxide with 300 times the heat-trapping capacity of CO2.
The host holds their own ▶ 41:08 Sacks details Fed debt monetization statisticsSacks demonstrates sharp macro expertise by laying out exact figures from Stanley Druckenmiller, including the Fed purchasing 60% of new debt issuance to suppress interest rates.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Welcome Back & Teasing Jason's "Personal Emergency" | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | Jason recounts his trip to SNL with Elon Musk while the other co-hosts tease him about bragging. The dynamic is lighthearted banter with low friction. | |
| The Origin and Impact of the Asperger's Monologue Joke | 4 | 2 | 6 | 6 | Sacks directly attacks the corporate PC culture at SNL, claiming sensitivity ruins the comedy, which Jason forcefully defends by asserting the Asperger's monologue joke landed and made everyone laugh. | |
| Sketches Cut for Time & SNL Afterparty | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 | The hosts discuss cut sketches like FOMO Capital and evaluate Musk's hosting performance. Conversation remains collegial with mild critiques of the show's opening. | |
| CDC Guidance, Outdoor Transmission Misclassifications & Mask Culture | 8 | 3 | 4 | 7 | Sacks and Friedberg cite David Leonhardt's NYT article and epidemiological data regarding outdoor transmission rates, with Sacks rejecting Jason's claim that NY mask usage is out of mutual respect rather than political virtue signaling. | |
| Stanley Druckenmiller's Warning on Fed Policy and Inflation | 8 | 2 | 2 | 3 | Friedberg and Sacks unpack Stanley Druckenmiller's macroeconomic warnings, citing specific figures like the Fed purchasing 60% of new debt issuance and retail demand running five years above trend. | |
| Market Sell-Off, Inflation Spike, and the UBI Experiment | 7 | 2 | 3 | 3 | The group analyzes the spike in CPI inflation and labor shortages caused by extended pandemic unemployment benefits, quoting state governors who are opting out of federal programs. | |
| California's Budget Surplus, Tax Flight, and Public Sector Incentives | 7 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Sacks analyzes California's $75B budget surplus, breaking down its reliance on federal bailouts and capital gains taxes while warning of long-term tax base erosion from outbound migration. | |
| Media Disruption and Business Insider's Hit Piece on the Podcast | 7 | 2 | 3 | 4 | The hosts critique a Business Insider profile on the podcast and contrast digital infinite-container media incentives against real-time truth discovery in capital markets. | |
| Media Criticism of 'Besties' and the Origin of the Term | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | The group dismisses media commentary regarding their use of the term besties, explaining its origin as an inside joke poking fun at Phil Hellmuth. | |
| The Synthetic Biology Boom: Zymergen, Ginkgo, and Pivot Bio | 9 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Friedberg delivers a masterclass on synthetic biology, explaining gene editing, Zymergen, Ginkgo Bioworks, and Pivot Bio, while Chamath draws structural comparisons to semiconductor toolchains. | |
| Medical Frontiers in Stem Cells and the Proposal for a 'Reason Party' | 8 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Friedberg details cutting-edge stem cell therapies like IPSC for retinal repair, prompting a broader discussion on political deterioration versus technological progress. |
Statements from this episode (32)
Calacanis says he was a punch-up writer for Elon Musk's SNL episode
“I was a punch up guy. I wrote some lines without, you know, taking anything away from the writers there who do the bulk of the work and the actors and the set designers.”
Sacks: Elon Musk made Saturday Night Live culturally relevant again
“Well, I mean, Elon, Elon made it Culturally relevant for the first time in like a decade.”
Sacks: Too many vetoes over content make Saturday Night Live unfunny
“What you're describing is too many people with a veto right over the content of the show. That's what makes it not funny.”
Sacks: Asperger's is correlated with extreme focus and success
“I mean, like, look, if anything, Asperger's is correlated with an extreme ability to focus and to be successful.”
Calacanis: Elon Musk's SNL episode had third-highest ratings of season
“Third best show of the season so far, I think, not counting all the YouTube views and the international views. I think Chappelle's the only person who beat him.”
Sacks asserts there are no documented cases of casual outdoor COVID transmission
“We've known since last summer that there were no cases, no documented cases of casual outdoor spread anywhere in the world.”
Sacks claims actual outdoor COVID transmission rate is under one percent
“The CDC continues to suggest that outdoor transmission accounts for up to 10% of cases when the real number is certainly under one percent is probably under .1%.”
Sacks: School reopenings in Texas and Florida did not increase COVID cases
“We know based on empirical data in the real world, seeing what's happening in Texas and Florida, that, that you're not seeing an increase in COVID cases in those places because of school reopening.”
Chamath says All-In Podcast reaches one million weekly views and listens
“We accumulate a million views slash listens a week to our podcast.”
Sacks: CDC accepted all teachers' union suggestions on school reopening guidelines
“So, this guidance that the CDC put forward on school reopenings, the teachers unions were part of writing that guidance, and all of their suggestions were actually accepted and incorporated by the CDC.”
Sacks: Fed injected $2.5 trillion in post-vaccine quantitative easing
“The Fed has pumped 2.5 trillion of QE into the economy post vaccine, post retail recovery.”
Palihapitiya: Chipotle announced $15 minimum wage and $100k earning potential
“Chipotle put out the following guidance, which is they said they are increasing the minimum wage to 15 dollars, and that within three years, you can make a 100,000 dollars a year at Chipotle.”
Palihapitiya: Uber CEO reported New York drivers earning $38 per hour
“Dara Korshashawi, the CEO of Uber said on the Uber earnings call last week that the average hourly rate that some drivers in New York, Uber drivers in New York were getting paid was 38 bucks an hour.”
Chamath predicts post-crisis money injection will cause massive US inflation
“And I think what everybody is saying in this example is we're past the emergency. We've put too much money in the economy. We need to reopen. And we now need to face the fact that there are massively rising prices, which means that there will be inflation.”
Sacks predicts Biden's tax and spending agenda will backfire massively
“This is going to backfire massively.”
Chamath notes Montana ended federal UI benefits and added return-to-work bonuses
“So just to your point on Friday, Montana, which was part of the federal government's you know, pandemic related UI benefits program basically said that we're canceling those benefits and we're opting out. And on top of that, I think they're now offering a 1200…”
Calacanis notes California generated a $75 billion state budget surplus
“We have a seventy five billion dollar surplus this year as the city devolves.”
Sacks: California suffered a net migration loss of 182,000 in 2020
“We had net migration loss of 182,000 in 2020.”
Sacks: US federal spending has exceeded 30% of GDP in 2021
“But what you have now is federal spending over 30% of GDP and everything is starting to break.”
Chamath predicts US will balkanize into 50 states without centrist leaders
“Otherwise, we are headed to 50 Balkanized States. Operating independently.”
Sacks says San Francisco school board opened one day for $12M
“It's like the school board in San Francisco announcing they're going to open school for one day to qualify for incentives for reopening that Gavin Newsom gave them for twelve million bucks.”
Sacks says he initiated contact and gave $25,000 to Boudin recall
“The reporter made a point of saying that I sought out the Boudin recall. They didn't just come to me. I sought them out and wrote 25,000 dollars”
Chamath: 'Besties' nickname was co-opted to mock Phil Hellmuth
“One of our other friends, Phil Hellmuth, kept calling me Bestie C. And we used to think it was the dumbest thing that we've ever heard. And then what we thought was, would be even funnier is to just co-opt it. And it was done. But it was done initially to make…”
Friedberg: DNA sequencing costs dropped faster than Moore's law
“DNA sequencing costs have dropped faster than Moore's law over the last 10 or 15 years.”
Friedberg: I am betting my career and capital on synthetic biology
“This is where I spend most of my time, right? So I really am making a bet on my career and my capital and my time on synthetic biology and the opportunity it presents for our species this century.”
Chamath predicts synthetic biology company Pivot Bio will IPO by 2025
“You'll see them in the next probably three or four years debut as a public business called pivot bio, another synthetic biology company, which I think is just masterful.”
Friedberg claims six percent of global electricity is used to make ammonia
“Around six percent of global electricity is used to make ammonia, which is the fertilizer that farmers around the world put on their fields to grow their corn.”
Friedberg: California has a $4B stem cell grant program
“California, by the way, has about a four billion dollar, if I remember right, stem cell grant program, where they're funding research into stem cell therapies.”
Friedberg: Induced pluripotent stem cell therapy will boom over 20 years
“And so this is going to be an insane field over the next couple of decades.”