Feb 12, 2022 · 1h 24m · allin
E67: Revisiting Rogan, Canadian truckers' protest, fusion breakthrough, $MSFT's savvy move & more
Chamath Palihapitiya · 25m spoken David Sacks · 18m spoken Jason Calacanis · 17m spoken David Friedberg · 14m spoken
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In Episode 67 of the All-In Podcast, hosts Jason Calacanis, Chamath Palihapitiya, David Sachs, and David Friedberg analyze major political, economic, and technological developments, including the Joe Rogan Spotify controversy, the Canadian trucker protests, scientific breakthroughs in nuclear fusion, and shifting macroeconomic trends.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 5.8 Guest teaching 2.0 Guest disagreement 2.3 The hosts pushing back 2.4
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 27:37 Jason Challenges Daniel Ek's Publisher Distinction
Jason strongly rejects Daniel Ek's claim that Spotify is not a publisher of Joe Rogan, calling the argument intellectually dishonest based on payment and promotion standards.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 38:45 Jason Pushes Back on Trucker Convoy FramingJason counters the sympathetic narrative around the Canadian trucker protest by pointing out that swastikas and confederate flags were flown within the group.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 48:20 Friedberg Educates Panel on Plasma Fusion MechanicsFriedberg breaks down the physics of tokamak reactors and energy generation records, giving the panel a thorough scientific primer on nuclear fusion.
The host holds their own ▶ 1:01:30 Chamath Details Microsoft's Competitive App Store PlayChamath uses the Hernando Cortes burn the boats analogy to demonstrate how Microsoft is strategically eliminating app store take rates to pressure Apple.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pre-Show Poker Banter and Phil Hellmuth Truffle Story | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | The panel engages in light banter regarding a recent poker game, Phil Hellmuth, and private jet food experiences. No technical debate or deep expertise is demonstrated. | |
| Examining Joe Rogan's Spotify Controversy and Free Speech | 6 | 2 | 3 | 4 | Sacks and Chamath analyze Joe Rogan's Spotify controversy using Rene Girard's scapegoating theory and free speech frameworks. Jason pushes back directly on Daniel Ek's assertion that Spotify is not a publisher. | |
| Canadian Trucker Protests, Public Backlash, and Mandate Policy | 6 | 2 | 3 | 3 | The hosts discuss the Canadian trucker protests as a broader working-class reaction to government mandates. Jason introduces counterpoints regarding extremist symbols present at the rallies. | |
| Nuclear Fusion Breakthroughs, Energy Markets, and Macroeconomic Futures | 8 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Friedberg delivers an in-depth explanation of plasma fusion milestones, tokamak reactors, and potential long-term energy abundance. The rest of the panel mostly listens and offers light humor. | |
| Big Tech Spread Trades and Microsoft's App Store Strategy | 7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Chamath breaks down Wall Street mechanics around Big Tech spread trades and Microsoft's open app store stance regarding Activision. He outlines how this puts economic pressure on Apple. | |
| Inflation, Consumer Sentiment, and the Regressive Tax on Wages | 7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Sacks presents real wage earnings data showing wage degradation due to inflation. Chamath reinforces the point with Thomas Sowell's view on inflation acting as a regressive tax on the poor. | |
| Reopening the Economy and Political Shifts on COVID Restrictions | 6 | 2 | 3 | 3 | Sacks argues that political leaders are lagging behind public sentiment regarding pandemic restrictions. He points to parent pushback at school boards and political shifts in blue states. | |
| The Impact of Mask Mandates on Children and Culture | 5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Chamath and Sacks discuss the developmental impact of school mask mandates on young children, sharing viral clips and personal observations. | |
| CIA Bulk Surveillance Revelations and Domestic Terrorism Concerns | 6 | 2 | 3 | 3 | Chamath and Sacks analyze revelations of CIA bulk surveillance under Executive Order 12333, raising concerns over warrantless searches and media double standards. |
Statements from this episode (28)
Sacks claims a Democratic super PAC astroturfed the viral Rogan video
“If you kind of look at you know, who's behind this clip, it's pretty clear that it was a democratic super PAC, put this together, and sort of astroturfed it as a viral video.”
Chamath: Spotify committed $100M to underrepresented groups following Rogan backlash
“And so what Spotify said when they explained the decision to not de-platform Joe Rogan was that they would take the exact equivalent economic value of what they were paying them, him, a hundred million dollars, and invested in underrepresented, historically un…”
Friedberg: Society cannot progress if dissenting or offensive voices are silenced
“Dissenting voices and critical voices and outspoken voices are extremely important in the discourse that makes society progress. It is not a good society when people that have dissenting of voices or offensive voices are shut down.”
Sacks: Alienating Joe Rogan is political foolishness for the Democratic Party
“He's a really stupid person for the Democrats, for Democratic politicians like Biden to alienate because he's a hero to young people, he's a hero to the working class, and his views are fundamentally, I'd say, more progressive.”
Calacanis: Platforms become publishers if they pay for, promote, or produce content
“I have a three-part test to see if you're a publisher. Do you pay for the content? Do you promote it? Do you produce it? If you do two or more of those, you're de facto a publisher in my mind.”
Chamath: Coinbase banning workplace political activism was a profound cultural milestone
“The substance of what Brian Armstrong did was incredibly profound, one of the most important things that actually happened in the last few years in Silicon Valley culture.”
Chamath: Canadian truckers are 90% vaccinated, exceeding national rate
“Truckers are 90% vaccinated. They're vaccinated at a higher percentage than the actual broad-based population of Canada, which is about 78%.”
Friedberg: COVID mandates are most severe government restrictions since WWII
“I don't think that anytime since World War Two, have we seen the government create such restrictions and such mandates in in democratic republics, like the United States, that we just saw over the past two years.”
Sacks: Mishandling the Canadian trucker protests could end Biden's presidency
“If he doesn't handle this right, I think it's gonna be the end of his presidency.”
Sacks: Republicans gained 18 points among non-white working-class voters
“I think the margin of non-white working class who moved to the Republicans last election was 18 points. Think, They got 18 points more share than eight years ago.”
Sacks: Biden is running out of time to establish a centrist presidency
“And, you know, I think Biden sort of is caught in the middle of this, and I think he's running out of time to try and reestablish that he's going to have a centrist presidency that does not completely kowtow and defer to the left of his party, to this sort of …”
Friedberg: Commonwealth Fusion Systems raised $1.8 billion in funding
“A company we talked about a few months ago called Commonwealth fusion systems, which uses a new superconducting material to control that plasma and use instead of using expensive magnets may just raise 1.8 billion dollars.”
Friedberg: Joint European Torus set a record output of 59 megajoules
“The joint European Taurus, which is managed by the atomic energy authority in the United Kingdom, just this week demonstrated energy output from their tokamak plasma fusion system, where they generated, you know, 59 megawatts of energy in five seconds, which i…”
Friedberg predicts commercial plasma fusion energy will arrive by the 2040s
“I think the 20 thirties and the 20 forties are where this becomes real. And all these problems and concerns we have about climate change, and carbon in the atmosphere, all of this stuff can be reversed with infinite energy.”
Friedberg: Bought energy stocks in late 2021 due to infrastructure underinvestment
“I mentioned to you guys at the end of last year that I made a bet on energy stocks, and the reason I made a bet on energy stocks is because some of the breakthroughs that we're seeing in decarbonization and renewable energy, Has driven a reduction in capital i…”
Chamath: Legacy energy rally is a short-term trade, not a long-term investment
“I'm not a big buyer of this trade, to be honest with you, Freeberg. I think that it works in the short term. I don't think it's an investment.”
Chamath: Big Tech spread trade could become a multi-year investment trend
“And so I think that there is the potential, a small potential, that that's going from a trade to an investment, actually, a sustainable trend that you can bank on for, you know, several years.”
Chamath names Microsoft and Alphabet as the definitive Big Tech stock winners
“I think that Microsoft and Google are far and away the winners. Far and away the winners.”
Chamath: Microsoft's open app store strategy will pressure Apple and Google
“And I think this is a first step towards a really interesting play that Microsoft could pull, which is essentially to scorch the earth of app stores, which is Google's and Apple's really big money printer to make a completely open permissible platform with ver…”
Sacks: US real hourly earnings fell 1.7% in 10th straight month
“Real hourly earnings are -1.7%. It's the 10th month in a row where US incomes aren't keeping up with inflation.”
Chamath: UMich consumer sentiment fell 8.2% MoM and nearly 20% YoY
“The University of Michigan consumer sentiment was released, I think it was today this morning. And it shows exactly what he's saying, which is that, you know, consumers propensity and confidence in the economy has been falling off a cliff. You know, the month …”
Calacanis: Salesforce bought a retreat center to combat remote work isolation
“Salesforce just bought a retreat syndrome, and we saw this south of the city the Bay Area, and because Benioff's got a concern, I guess, that all these employees he hired over two years who've never met another Salesforce employee are getting weird and lonely,…”
Sacks predicts Biden's popularity would bounce by ending federal COVID mandates
“His popularity would like bounce five points, 10 points if he did that.”
Calacanis predicts Biden will embrace the trucker convoy protesting COVID mandates
“Yeah, I'm betting he's going to. I mean, he's always represented the working man and woman of this country. That's been his thing from the beginning. I bet you he does embrace them.”
Sacks: NY and CA ended mask mandates for adults, but not kids
“In New York and California, adults don't have to wear masks anymore, but the kids do.”
Sacks predicts children raised under prolonged mask mandates will be neurotic
“I'm just like, how brainwashed this generation that we're raising. I mean, they're going to be so neurotic, but they're also like brainwashed.”
Sacks says he would not have supported enduring COVID mask mandates
“Listen, I mean, when I supported the mask mandate at the very beginning of the pandemic, you know, it was always as an interim measure. If I had known that people would want to continue this thing forever, there's no way I would have supported it.”