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“I think, 2026 for ai and science is going to look a lot like what 2025 looked like for soft ai and software engineering yeah where if you go back to the beginning of 2025 if you were using ai heavily to write your code you were sort of an early adopter and lik…”

“It used to be that OpenAI had this, like, massive model lead, you know, 12 months or something ahead of everybody else. That's not true anymore. You know, I like to think we still have a lead. I'd argue that we do, but it's certainly not a massive one.”

“And so I think you're going to want sort of quasi researcher machine learning engineer types as part of pretty much every team because fine tuning a model is just going to be part of the core workflow for building most products.”

“With 400 plus weekly 400 plus million weekly active users, we get, you know, a lot of inbound tickets, right? I don't know how many customer support folks we have, but it's not very many. 3040, I'm not sure. Way, way smaller than you would have at any comparab…”

“The models are getting to the point where they can often beat humans at certain tasks. Like, people prefer the model's answers to a human's answers, and so if you're humans writing your evals, like, you know, so what does that mean?”

“There are things that get closer to that, I mean, there, like, customer service, we have bots internally that do what's fun about answering external questions and fielding internal people's questions on Slack and so on, and our customer success, our customer s…”

“Not that many, actually. I don't know. 25. Maybe it's a little more than that”

“I think, you know, things like coding skills are going to be relevant for a long time.”

“And now with this O series of reasoning models, we're moving even faster. We're like every roughly, you know, three months, maybe four months, there's a new O-series model, and each of them is a step up in, in capability, and so the capabilities of these model…”

“Yeah, writing evals, I mean, it's, I actually think it's going to become a core skill for PMs.”

“And, you know, the stuff that's happening today that we're working on, that you guys are working on, it all feels like magic. 12 months from now, we're going to be like, can you believe we use that garbage? Because it's going to, I mean, that's how fast this t…”

“Someone from the State Department reached out, and this is a public story, so I'm not saying anything that can't be said. Someone from the State Department reached out and said, wait, wait, you can't go down at, you know, two a.m. Pacific. That's the middle of…”

“I think most other tools in the space have hard limits and charge you money and other things. In Prism, it's as many collaborators as you want for free.”

“The UI probably changes for all of these things, right? You don't need your document front and center because you're actually not looking at your document as much. You're, that's sort of your backup and your interaction with your AI is primary. And as that hap…”

“I think the future is really gonna be incredibly smart, broad based models. That are fine tuned and tailored with company specific or use case specific data so that they perform really well on company specific or use case specific things. And you're going to m…”

“The original, I think the original, I don't know, what was it, GPT 3.5 or something, was like a hundred x the cost of GPT-Foro Mini today. In, in the API. So a couple years, you've gone down two orders of magnitude in in cost. For much more intelligence.”

“As we, you know, we support over two hundred million people every week on ChatGPT.”

“I mean, for one, I, we have grown faster than anything I've ever seen. And I thought I had seen fast growth when I was at Instagram, for example.”

“And over time, I think it's going to be more natural for us to measure daily active users because really if we're doing our job and you're using ChatGPT on a daily basis and hopefully multiple times per day, Because it can help you multiple times per day with …”

“The model is, is really capable at emulating style or understanding what, you know, it's very good at instruction following. That's actually something that I think people, I'm starting to see people discover with it, but you can do very complex things. You can…”

“We have three million developers using our API.”

“Our, actually, our chief people officer, Julia, Was telling me the other day, she vibe coded an internal tool that she had at a previous job that she really wanted to have here at open AI. And she opened, I don't know, windsurf or something and vibe coded it.”

“There are a couple of current blockchains that are built on the tech because the tech was open sourced from the beginning. Aptos and Mistin are two companies that are built off of this tech, so, you know, at least the, all of the work that we did not die, but,…”

“With OpenAI, we have these custom GPTs that you can make, and organizations make thousands of them often, and it's a way for the power users to make something that makes AI easier and, like, immediately valuable for the people that might not know how to use it…”