The Ledger, every show

“We look at cloud code. We dump all their system prompts. We dump all their tool descriptions. We dump all their tool schemas. We re-implement the tools. And when you're using an anthropic model, we basically have the exact same implementation.”

“Any kind of fancy optimization you're doing on top of the LM eventually gets, like, you kind of lose the need to do it given how fast things are moving.”

“And Gemini ones were not good. It was initially it looked good, but then I noticed it was getting caught in these crazy loops and it was like editing my files in these totally messed up ways. And I should have known because you can tell when you're looking thr…”

“I think it's pretty easy to, like, use more than 200 dollars worth, even by accident. So I would also lean towards that the Claude Max plans are a growth strategy, not like any long term pricing thing that can work, at least at the current, given the current s…”

“We don't think a product is good because it's open source. Usually a product is bad because it's open source. It tends to be like designed by committee and like just a smash of like a bunch of different competing priorities.”

“What would change things is if there's a day where either another LM lab or like, you know, an open source model drops that is competitive with Sonnet, maybe even better than Sonnet on that day, open code is going to be the only way to do this kind of thing. C…”

“Open code itself will never be on monetize. The day you monetize your open source project is a day it starts to die.”

“I think the clarity we have is we're not trying to get the next three percent of efficiency out of the LLM. I think that's kind of like an infinite rabbit hole you can dive down that has like plateauing results. So for us, we're more focused on Product experie…”

“Almost immediately we're like, oh, we should build edit functionality. Like we should let you edit files in here, but that's a trap because that is like an infinite rabbit hole of work. And I've seen this with warp already where I think they have an editor in …”

“To be honest, most people haven't complained about this. Like it comes up occasionally. But people tend to start new sessions pretty frequently. They tend to not have super long running things that often. So it is a problem that needs to be solved, but it's on…”

“Yeah, so we looked at all the different benchmarks we could find, and it's almost comical how none of them look like my day-to-day work. Most of these evals are like, You know, solve this maze. And I'm just like, I'm never solving a maze. Like it's never anyth…”

“I expected that open code is gonna have a plugin system in the next couple of weeks. So we'll probably move all of those like TOS questionable integrations into community maintained plugins and people can do whatever they want there.”

“I mean, when I saw the acquisition, I was like, oh, this is actually more intense now because the cursor team is going to move faster than the cloud code team. I think that's my feeling given they have to, there's more pressure on them and they're smaller.”

“The cursor is successful because of the product stuff, less so the LM, well, minus a tab, the cursor tab stuff is pretty good, but”

“Like when you're talking to these LLMs, the work you're doing is not writing code, it's reviewing code.”

“At the end of the day, like it's just a loop where you send the prompt with a bunch of tool descriptions. It tells you what tools to call. You call it tools and the results back. And there's really not too much magic there.”

“Open code fits in a weird space where there's a lot of very boring enterprise companies that haven't used any of these tools yet because they have certain restrictions in their corporate laptop where they can't even install them. Open code tends to fit nicer i…”

“The stuff that has like, there's a core. And once you put the core, there's like a hundred integrations to do. That's where open source really shines. And there's a lot of that in open code. That's why we made it open source.”

“We're probably gonna ship it this week, but we're not implementing it as An explicit plan mode. We're implementing the concept of modes. So you'll be able to hit tab and cycle through different modes. We'll have a built in like plan mode and implement mode, bu…”

“So the one other difference between us and cloud code is under the hood, there's a client and server architecture here. So open code is a server that has a built in TUI client.”

“We're starting work on a mobile client. We're gonna start work on a web client. We're gonna have a desktop app.”

“I've seen now cloud code in their job posting. They actually mentioned specifically they're hiring someone that has experience in bun executables.”

“About a year ago, we launched a coffee company me and a few other people. And the trick was you can't buy it off a website. You have to SSH into a server and you actually get a really good experience. Like it's actually good UX and it's a pretty good e-commerc…”