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Stephen Gilmore

Chief Investment Officer, CalPERS. On 1 show, 2 appearances. The Shows tab opens the full record on each.

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Gilmore: AIGFP had great people and Joe Cassano was super smart
“One of the things that really impressed me was the quality of the people at AIGFP. They had really good people. I thought a lot of Joe Cassano, who ran the place. He was super smart, very knowledgeable across many things.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 10:45 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: CalPERS historically destroyed value through pro-cyclical de-risking during crises
“One of the things that has attracted value from the CalPERS experience has been a tendency to be too pro-cyclical. If you think back to the time of the financial crisis, Various assets were liquidated. Risk was taken off. That was done in part because of conce…”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 21:30 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: A simple stock-bond mix closely tracks most complex pension portfolios
“You can take a simple combination of equities and bonds, and it will track the actual portfolio very closely. And that'll be the case for most pension funds.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 24:14 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: CalPERS recommended a 75/25 reference portfolio with 400bps active risk
“We've recommended a 75% equity, 25% bond portfolio. We've recommended an active risk range around 400 basis points.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 26:57 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: National security concerns make government capital controls quite possible
“One thing that I wouldn't like to see would be forms of capital controls, but that's quite possible.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 52:19 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Total portfolio approach captures hybrid investments that SAA buckets miss
“If you're sitting there with a strategic asset allocation, and you've got all these asset classes, it could be that you've got a hybrid, where does it sit? Or there could be something that's new, and you don't have a bucket for it. It's hard to do. With the to…”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 54:47 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Total Portfolio Approach enables more concentrated asset class portfolios
“When you're thinking about its contribution to the whole portfolio, you should be much more comfortable in having a more concentrated asset class portfolio because it gets diversified away at the whole portfolio level.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 35:48 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: NZ Super won via heavy bet sizing, not a high win rate
“If you look at all the different investment strategies, when I first looked at the analysis, I thought, well, actually the hit rate or the banning average is pretty ordinary. That's not that unusual, but the slugging average was amazing. The areas that it did …”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 43:41 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Smaller Teams Are Better Positioned to Adopt TPA
“It's probably smaller teams that are better positioned.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 44:27 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: Non-US allocators will struggle to diversify away from US markets
“There's a desire to diversify away from the US. That's probably going to be Difficult because the other capital markets aren't as deep.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 51:39 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: AIGFP halted new super senior transactions in late 2005
“In the case of FP, They stopped entering into new super senior transactions of that elk from late, 2005, well ahead of the final denouement in 2007, 2008. It wasn't soon enough.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 11:28 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: CalPERS' legacy SAA permitted ~450 bps of active risk
“What we did was to look at how much that variation would aggregate up to in terms of the leeway management had been delegated. We estimated that that amounted to around about 450 basis points of active risk using all the policy ranges.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 18:39 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: CalPERS seeks deployment flexibility rather than increased active risk
“With the transition to a total portfolio approach, we weren't asking for that much active risk. We were asking for more flexibility in how we used it.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 18:57 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Total Portfolio Approach stabilizes institutional risk appetite over time
“One of the big advantages of having A total portfolio approach with the reference portfolio is you tend to have a more stable risk appetite through time, and it'll be transparent if risk is taken up or down.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 22:08 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Reference portfolios improve pension management accountability
“With our proposed approach for the total portfolio, the board adopts a reference portfolio, and that corresponds to a particular amount of risk, but it's the management that is using its initiative to propose the portfolio and to invest the portfolio. The mana…”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 22:44 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: CalPERS compensates staff on total portfolio results, not asset classes
“Some years earlier, Marcy had changed the compensation structure so that everyone got rewarded on the basis of the whole portfolio, not their asset class.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 24:40 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: CalPERS will limit direct private investments and expand public market activity
“I don't anticipate that we will be particularly active direct privates apart from co-investment, but I expect that we will become more active in the public markets given the balance sheet management and our improved liquidity management.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 30:21 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Scenario analysis should replace simple correlation in measuring diversification
“Rather than simply looking at historical correlations, one needs to be thinking about multi-dimensional scenarios and to think about how the portfolio behaves given those scenarios.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 37:31 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: CalPERS equity and fixed income teams generated strong unscaled information ratios
“The equity team, the fixed income team have been good at generating good information ratios, but it hasn't been scaled, which I found interesting because there have been constraints on the active risks that can be taken and sub-constraints.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 39:31 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: CalPERS must invest bulk of capital through larger managers
“The reality is that the bulk of capital is going to be invested through larger managers because of the size of our portfolio.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 41:54 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: Total Portfolio Approach Allocators Tend Toward Higher Private Market Exposure
“And if you look at the TPA adherence, they tend to have a bigger exposure to private markets.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 45:50 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
Gilmore: Bridgewater Sits Between Discretionary Macro and Price-Signal Funds
“Other macro funds are perhaps either more discretionary or they are more reliant on the signals that come from price movements. So Bridgewater is somewhere in between.”
Stephen Gilmore Aug 12, 2021 ▶ 8:10 Greg Jensen – Bridgewater Associates (Manager Meetings, EP.06)
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Gilmore: Future Fund Benefited from 2008 Crisis Due to Low-Risk Entry
“The Future Fund has actually been one of the beneficiaries of the financial crisis because it had a low risk portfolio going into the crisis. So it had a lot of cash to invest when assets were very cheap.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 12:30 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)
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Gilmore: NZ Super Uses a Reference Portfolio While Future Fund Does Not
“In the case of New Zealand Super, Turtle Portfolio Approach, they have a reference portfolio. Future Fund, Turtle Portfolio Approach, doesn't have a reference portfolio.”
Stephen Gilmore Feb 9, 2026 ▶ 16:23 Stephen Gilmore – CalPERS' Total Portfolio Approach (EP.486)

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