Function Calling

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Kilpatrick: Combining Existing APIs with AI Unlocks Viable SaaS Businesses
“What happens if you take five random different products, and you bring them all together, and you put AI in the middle? Like, that's actually, like, a real business all of a sudden. And the amount of work to do that is, like, actually pretty pretty small relat…”
Logan Kilpatrick Feb 15, 2025 ▶ 19:15 Google AI studio replaces your AI tech stack (full demo)
Polu: Models make mistakes when given high-level instructions and many tools
“If you provide a very high level Kind of an auto GPT-esque level in the instructions and provide 16 different tools to your model. Yes, we're seeing the models in that state making mistakes.”
Stanislas Polu Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 33:26 Agents @ Work: Dust.tt — with Stanislas Polu
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Sarah Guo predicts massive excitement when reasoning models gain tool integration
“I do think on how it is received and how people use it, as the labs, you know, attach tools and function calling to the ability to do this type of planning and iterative reasoning, I think people are going to get a lot more excited.”
Sarah Guo Oct 17, 2024 ▶ 16:37 No Priors Ep. 86 | With Sarah Guo & Elad Gil
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Julien: BFCL v1 was the first dedicated LLM function calling benchmark
“So the first one that came out, like I said, in March was really the first of its kind to Make a function calling leaderboard.”
Sam Julien Oct 5, 2024 ▶ 2:10 [Paper Club] Berkeley Function Calling Paper Club! — Sam Julien, Writer
Biggio: Forcing function calls over voice yields reliable UI control
“Speech to text is really interesting because you can prevent, you can prevent responses like audio responses and force function calls. And so you can do stuff like UI control that is like super, super reliable... If you like cut out the audio outputs and make …”
Ilan Biggio Oct 4, 2024 ▶ 16:56 Building AGI in Real Time (OpenAI Dev Day 2024)
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Weil: OpenAI o1 will support function calling by end of 2024
“I'm really excited to see things like system prompts, And structured outputs, and function calling, make it into a one, we will be there by the end of the year.”
Kevin Weil Oct 4, 2024 ▶ 1:48:29 Building AGI in Real Time (OpenAI Dev Day 2024)
Yao: Pairing reasoning with tool use is essential for unfamiliar tools
“And I think the second contribution is this idea of what people call like inner monologue or thinking or reasoning or whatever to be paired with tool use. I think that's still not trivial because if you look at the default function calling or whatever, like th…”
Shunyu Yao Sep 27, 2024 ▶ 11:38 Language Agents: From Reasoning to Acting — with Shunyu Yao of OpenAI, Harrison Chase of LangGraph
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OpenAI's function calling originated from early Code Interpreter prototypes
“The history here is we started with function calling and function calling, you know, came from the idea of like, let's give the model access to tools and let's see what it does. And we basically had these internal prototypes of what code interpreter is now. An…”
Michelle Pokrass Sep 17, 2024 ▶ 13:27 Building AGI with OpenAI's Structured Outputs API
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OpenAI built Structured Outputs because developers were hacking function calling
“A lot of people were hacking function calling to get the response format they needed, and so this is why we shipped kind of this new response format. So you can get exactly what you want, and you get kind of more of the models verbosity.”
Michelle Pokrass Sep 17, 2024 ▶ 14:24 Building AGI with OpenAI's Structured Outputs API
Multi-step agentic apps fail at 95% reliability due to compounded errors
“Like if something is 95% reliable, but you're chaining together a bunch of calls, if you magnify that error rate, it makes your like application not work. So that's a really exciting thing here from going from like 95% to a hundred percent. I'm very biased wor…”
Michelle Pokrass Sep 17, 2024 ▶ 28:10 Building AGI with OpenAI's Structured Outputs API
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Scialom: Llama 3 natively supports state-of-the-art tool calling
“We have that from day one. Good news for the community. We are state of the art there. I think the model will be pretty good at that, we have a lot of gems about tools in the paper, but the model is fine-tuned to do tool usage, to zero-shot function calling”
Thomas Scialom Jul 23, 2024 ▶ 45:05 Training Llama 2, 3 & 4: The Path to Open Source AGI — with Thomas Scialom of Meta AI
Liu: Function calling decouples schemas from prompt instructions
“Function calling lets you define the schema separate from the data and the instructions. And what this meant was you can kind of have a lot more complex schemas and just map them in Pydantic, and then you can just keep those very separate.”
Jason Liu Apr 24, 2024 ▶ 10:49 High Agency Pydantic over VC Backed Frameworks — with Jason Liu of Instructor
Liu: LLM JSON mode is worse than function calling for structured outputs
“In terms of whether or not, like, JSON mode is better, I usually think it's almost worse unless you want to spend less money on, like, the prompt tokens that the function call represents. Primarily because with JSON mode you don't actually specify the schema.”
Jason Liu Apr 24, 2024 ▶ 14:08 High Agency Pydantic over VC Backed Frameworks — with Jason Liu of Instructor

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