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Acquired LIVE from Chase Center (with Daniel Ek, Emily Chang, Jensen Huang and Mark Zuckerberg) · Acquired
- ▶ 1:45:35 Mark Zuckerberg Let's build this platform where we can get a web-based platform, so you basically build a native shell, and you build this web-based platform in it, and we'll be able to just update our apps every day, and we'll ship one thing once, and…
- ▶ 2:17:56 Mark Zuckerberg In the PC era, Windows with the open ecosystem was the leader, and part of my goal for the next 1015 years, the next generation of platforms, is to build the next generation of open platforms and have the open platforms win.
The Mark Zuckerberg Interview · Acquired
- ▶ 37:34 Mark Zuckerberg Let's build this platform where we can get a web-based platform, so you basically build a native shell, and you build this web-based platform in it, and we'll be able to just update our apps every day, and we'll ship one thing once, and…
- ▶ 1:10:09 Mark Zuckerberg In the PC era, Windows with the open ecosystem was the leader, and part of my goal for the next 1015 years, the next generation of platforms, is to build the next generation of open platforms and have the open platforms win.
Microsoft Volume II: The Complete History and Strategy of the Ballmer Years (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 0:51 Ben Gilbert The Internet, Windows XP, Xbox, the browser, search, and mobile.
- ▶ 5:07 David Rosenthal So on the last episode, we left off with the, Ben, as you put it, unabashed celebration of software that was the Windows-ninety-five consumer launch in August of 1995.
- ▶ 5:35 David Rosenthal That was missing from Windows 95 at launch.
- ▶ 5:53 Ben Gilbert It's so funny because we sort of intentionally left all the internet components out of Windows 95.
- ▶ 6:08 Ben Gilbert But in retrospect, the thing that mattered about Windows 95 all these years later is that's the platform that everyone started using the Internet on.
- ▶ 7:44 David Rosenthal That's what online was like, just a few years or months before the Windows 95 launch.
- ▶ 13:24 David Rosenthal After the Netscape IPO has already happened, and Windows 95 has shipped.
- ▶ 30:53 Ben Gilbert So, some of the Windows-ninety-five team in late-ninety-four, led by Thomas Riordan, is pulled off before it ships to start thinking about
- ▶ 31:01 Ben Gilbert What should we do after Windows 95 ships?
- ▶ 33:01 Ben Gilbert We should get this done as a part of Windows 95, not wait for the next big release.
- ▶ 33:05 David Rosenthal We're gonna get to this in a minute, but when Windows 95 launched, it had, either at launch or very shortly thereafter, what was called the Plus Pack.
- ▶ 36:08 David Rosenthal So that brings us to the August-ninety-five Windows-ninety-five launch, scheduled for the 24th.
- ▶ 36:50 David Rosenthal In the IPO press cycle, Mark Andreessen is quoted as saying that, quote, Netscape will soon reduce Windows to a poorly debugged set of device drivers.
- ▶ 37:11 Ben Gilbert If one of the things he's saying is Windows is a platform upon which independent software vendors
- ▶ 37:21 Ben Gilbert So Windows is the way that currently people write software for businesses and consumers to use.
- ▶ 37:28 Ben Gilbert And if we are going to reduce Windows to a poorly debugged set of device drivers, what I'm implying is these crappy static web pages that get served right now, that is merely a step on our journey to enabling rich web applications.
- ▶ 37:55 Ben Gilbert And so when they're saying we're going to reduce Windows, blah, blah, blah, it's saying, okay, Windows has all this stuff right now for developers, but essentially you're going to use Windows or any operating system just to boot it up,…
- ▶ 39:25 David Rosenthal You can see why it was so important to Microsoft to beat Netscape, to bring the Internet in the form of Internet Explorer into Windows and have Windows maintain its role as the dominant platform.
- ▶ 39:47 Ben Gilbert It's an application platform of the future that is distributed as a Windows app.
- ▶ 39:53 Ben Gilbert I mean, Windows had huge market share at this point, I don't know, 80, 90%, eventually over 90% market share.
- ▶ 39:59 Ben Gilbert The way that Netscape could get to consumers was because Microsoft had all these computers out there running Windows.
- ▶ 40:13 David Rosenthal So, Windows 95 launches a couple weeks after the Netscape IPO.
- ▶ 40:24 David Rosenthal You can buy it for 50 dollars as part of the plus pack that I was referencing before, and install that and add it into Windows, and Microsoft will make money on the sale of that software, but that of course does nothing to make a dent in…
- ▶ 41:43 David Rosenthal And then, on December seventh, 1995, Bill Gates announces that Internet Explorer is now free, and it will be bundled in with every single copy of Windows 95 going forward.
- ▶ 44:41 Ben Gilbert They're still doing the same thing as ever, selling Windows licenses through OEMs and to consumers at retail.
- ▶ 49:59 Ben Gilbert We were talking about the web as a potential development platform of the future, even as far back as 1994, people building web applications, or, you know, Windows 95
- ▶ 1:01:36 David Rosenthal Well, they did ship Windows-ninety-five without Internet Explorer in the beginning, so.
- ▶ 1:17:44 David Rosenthal So then, in November, 2001, just a couple weeks after the Windows XP launch, the DOJ and Microsoft finally, completely settled the case.
- ▶ 1:17:56 Ben Gilbert Also, can we just say, this case is brought against Windows 95, Windows 98 comes out, and then before we have a resolution, Windows XP comes out.
- ▶ 1:17:56 Ben Gilbert Also, can we just say, this case is brought against Windows 95, Windows 98 comes out, and then before we have a resolution, Windows XP comes out.
- ▶ 1:21:19 David Rosenthal XP was a huge success.
- ▶ 1:21:25 David Rosenthal It unifies Windows under the NT architecture.
- ▶ 1:33:38 Ben Gilbert And along with that, release XP, the most successful Windows operating system ever.
- ▶ 1:33:38 Ben Gilbert And along with that, release XP, the most successful Windows operating system ever.
- ▶ 1:33:44 Ben Gilbert And then we're gonna talk about Vista, and then we're gonna talk about Zune, and Search, and Bing, and Windows Mobile, and Windows Eight, and yeah, all that.
- ▶ 1:33:44 Ben Gilbert And then we're gonna talk about Vista, and then we're gonna talk about Zune, and Search, and Bing, and Windows Mobile, and Windows Eight, and yeah, all that.
- ▶ 1:33:44 Ben Gilbert And then we're gonna talk about Vista, and then we're gonna talk about Zune, and Search, and Bing, and Windows Mobile, and Windows Eight, and yeah, all that.
- ▶ 1:36:37 Ben Gilbert There's NT slash back office.
- ▶ 1:36:48 Ben Gilbert So you can think about it as Windows, and he said NT slash back office, but this is the enterprise, an office.
- ▶ 1:36:54 David Rosenthal Which is so funny that Bill thought of it as NT slash back office.
- ▶ 1:37:02 Ben Gilbert Bill was like, it's like this stuff that businesses buy, but I'm gonna refer to it by its Microsoft product name of one of the products we sell, which is NT.
- ▶ 1:37:22 Ben Gilbert So he's talking about the interesting thing, the server business, which is a different way he refers to NT slash back office.
- ▶ 1:37:54 David Rosenthal Ok, so we did talk last time about NT and Dave Cutler and the heroics that he performed to write NT.
- ▶ 1:38:03 David Rosenthal Windows NT, though, was still a client operating system architecture for a user to use a personal computer with.
- ▶ 1:38:13 Ben Gilbert NT basically was enterprise ready.
- ▶ 1:43:33 Ben Gilbert You then have NT as the operating system, SQL as the database, and then you've got all these other applications that basically run on that stack.
- ▶ 1:52:25 David Rosenthal We were using XP, of course.
- ▶ 1:52:28 Ben Gilbert In 2007, you were using XP.
- ▶ 1:58:39 Ben Gilbert So, Windows XP.
- ▶ 1:58:42 Ben Gilbert Why was Windows XP such a big deal?
- ▶ 1:59:11 Ben Gilbert So what was Windows XP technically?
- ▶ 1:59:21 Ben Gilbert There was Windows NT for
- ▶ 1:59:25 Ben Gilbert The enterprise, and there was Windows nine X, you know, Windows 95, Windows 98 for consumers.
- ▶ 1:59:51 Ben Gilbert And so the knock against NT was always, well, you need really beefy enterprise grade PCs to run it, and it's not as nice and intuitive, and the knock against the Windows nine X, call it 95, was that, yeah, it looks pretty, but it's not…
- ▶ 1:59:51 Ben Gilbert And so the knock against NT was always, well, you need really beefy enterprise grade PCs to run it, and it's not as nice and intuitive, and the knock against the Windows nine X, call it 95, was that, yeah, it looks pretty, but it's not…
- ▶ 2:00:16 Ben Gilbert And so XP
- ▶ 2:00:18 Ben Gilbert Did the impossible where they figured out how to take the ease of use of the nine X interface and make it run on top of NT.
- ▶ 2:00:30 Ben Gilbert The whole thing is built on the NT kernel and it has the friendly, approachable ease of use that you are used to in windows.
- ▶ 2:00:38 Ben Gilbert 95 and 98.
- ▶ 2:00:41 Ben Gilbert So the lineage of that nine X code base that came all the way from windows three dot O or maybe even one or two, I don't know if
- ▶ 2:00:52 Ben Gilbert And so you had the NT lineage of, I guess, maybe even you could say it started with OS two, but Windows NT, Windows 2000, and then Windows XP.
- ▶ 2:00:52 Ben Gilbert And so you had the NT lineage of, I guess, maybe even you could say it started with OS two, but Windows NT, Windows 2000, and then Windows XP.
- ▶ 2:01:03 Ben Gilbert So everybody's running XP now.
- ▶ 2:01:42 Ben Gilbert But, you know, Windows XP, plenty of people were importing digital photos off their camera to Windows XP.
- ▶ 2:01:51 David Rosenthal A lot of Napster clients running on Windows XP machines.
- ▶ 2:03:44 Ben Gilbert Another thing about Windows XP, there was a new release of Office right at the same time as XP.
- ▶ 2:05:16 David Rosenthal And yes, that is true for all the traditional reasons in the XP timeframe, the reason it was also true in part one of our Microsoft series.
- ▶ 2:06:01 Ben Gilbert And I think this XP time frame is
- ▶ 2:06:10 Ben Gilbert The other thing to know about this XP timeframe is, last episode we talked about the incredible secular growth trend of the PC.
- ▶ 2:06:37 Ben Gilbert The crazier thing is, even as late as 2001 with Windows XP, they were still riding this tailwind.
- ▶ 2:06:57 Ben Gilbert By 1997, 13 years later, it grew to 37%, and after a couple years of XP being in market, 2003, it had grown to 62%.
- ▶ 2:08:23 Ben Gilbert Windows 95, they shipped DirectX, that changed the world, they became a real gaming platform.
- ▶ 2:09:31 David Rosenthal So, just like a couple weeks after the XP launch, it was a big time for Microsoft.
- ▶ 2:15:02 Ben Gilbert So, there's a little tail off of XP that'll lead to Vista.
- ▶ 2:15:02 Ben Gilbert So, there's a little tail off of XP that'll lead to Vista.
- ▶ 2:15:08 Ben Gilbert So the Windows XP codename, David, was what?
- ▶ 2:15:11 David Rosenthal Whistler.
- ▶ 2:15:22 Ben Gilbert The ski mountain right next to Whistler is, yes, Blackcomb, which became the name for the theoretical release that they wanted to do, like, just a year or two after Vista.
- ▶ 2:15:42 Ben Gilbert Another reason they had to push the date out was Windows XP for all of its usability and reliability was very insecure, and so Microsoft had a whole thing where they thought they were gonna spend like three months putting out a service…
- ▶ 2:15:55 Ben Gilbert They spent the better part of two years iterating on Windows XP to come out with a release that really people and enterprises could trust as no viruses, you know, this is safe to deploy your enterprise.
- ▶ 2:16:36 David Rosenthal Longhorn, baby.
- ▶ 2:16:37 Ben Gilbert That sounds like a great name for a modest release to follow XP before we get to the big hard changes that are gonna come in Blackcomb.
- ▶ 2:16:50 David Rosenthal So I remember being like a teenager in high school at this point in time, and reading all about Longhorn, Blackcomb, all this stuff on the internet, you know, on these new tech sites, these blogs, being like,
- ▶ 2:17:05 David Rosenthal I remember downloading, like, new shells for Windows XP to mimic the Longhorn UI with the sidebar and the clock on the side.
- ▶ 2:17:05 David Rosenthal I remember downloading, like, new shells for Windows XP to mimic the Longhorn UI with the sidebar and the clock on the side.
- ▶ 2:17:17 Ben Gilbert Well, this was part of the belief behind Longhorn.
- ▶ 2:17:33 Ben Gilbert And so everyone got really well versed in what was coming in Longhorn.
- ▶ 2:17:38 Ben Gilbert And then everyone was kind of sitting on their hands like, where's Longhorn?
- ▶ 2:17:42 Ben Gilbert They've been really telling us about Longhorn in a way that you would never see today.
- ▶ 2:18:21 Ben Gilbert Anyway, Longhorn is teased for five years.
- ▶ 2:18:35 Ben Gilbert David, what was the initial technical spark that was supposed to be the cornerstone of Longhorn?
- ▶ 2:18:54 David Rosenthal And then they were like, no, no, we're going to pare it down to Longhorn, but it all ended up getting added back into Longhorn.
- ▶ 2:19:18 Ben Gilbert All these code names ended up referring to multiple things because it was emblematic of the organizational disarray inside the Windows development team.
- ▶ 2:19:45 Ben Gilbert Saying the next new release of Windows, which is five years since Windows XP, they really, really are counting on a new version of Windows to drive PC sales, and the one that they're getting requires pretty good GPUs.
- ▶ 2:19:45 Ben Gilbert Saying the next new release of Windows, which is five years since Windows XP, they really, really are counting on a new version of Windows to drive PC sales, and the one that they're getting requires pretty good GPUs.
- ▶ 2:20:06 Ben Gilbert But, if you did buy a nice PC, and you did eventually end up with a copy of Windows Vista, this is why you got to see the new, what, ah,
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