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Coca-Cola: The Complete History & Strategy (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 7:42 David Rosenthal So going back again to our Standard Oil series, John D.
Mars Inc. - The Chocolate Story (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 57:10 David Rosenthal Right up there with Rockefeller and Carnegie?
- ▶ 3:38:44 David Rosenthal Rockefeller, all of them, yes.
Hermès (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 7:35 David Rosenthal Obviously not Rockefeller, which is where my mind first went, because we talk a lot about his dad.
Novo Nordisk (Ozempic) · Acquired
- ▶ 8:49 Ben Gilbert John D.
- ▶ 2:03:02 David Rosenthal It's kind of going back to, uh, the beginning of the episode and Rockefeller's dad and the snake oil salesman.
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- ▶ 1:23:54 Ben Gilbert I don't think in the time period most consumers knew the name John Rockefeller, but they knew Standard Oil.
Nike (Audio) · Acquired
- ▶ 8:57 David Rosenthal I mean, Rockefeller was pretty introverted, but he looks like Elon Musk compared to Phil Knight.
- ▶ 19:32 David Rosenthal Deep down underneath all that introvert, he has that same drive that John Rockefeller had, that an Elon Musk has, that a Mark Zuckerberg has.
Sessions: David Senra (Founders Podcast) · Acquired
- ▶ 7:27 David Senra I had brought a gift for him, because he talks about, like, um, Rockefeller all the time.
- ▶ 29:29 David Rosenthal That's what Rockefeller did.
- ▶ 29:30 David Senra Rockefeller.
- ▶ 1:28:15 David Senra And he says this, he goes, he's building what didn't exist at the time, the only chain of five-star hotels at the time, and he says, I grow, and this is, every founder does this, Andrew Carnegie, John D.
- ▶ 2:11:44 David Senra I don't like that you reference, like, the superpower of the show is that I tie, it's not like, the episode on Ralph Lauren is gonna tell you how Ralph thinks, like, Andrew Carnegie, and Rockefeller, and Bezos, and it's like.
- ▶ 2:33:31 David Senra That's a Rockefeller thing.
Enron · Acquired
- ▶ 12:00 David Rosenthal So if you go back to our episodes on Rockefeller and Standard Oil, the initial energy markets in the US were
Walmart · Acquired
- ▶ 8:56 David Rosenthal Sam and the Walmart story is like the bridge between the business America that was John Rockefeller and Standard Oil and Amazon and Jeff Bezos.
- ▶ 9:10 Ben Gilbert In many ways, he was the last of the Rockefeller type tycoons, but the first of the sort of modern megacorp, not tech business, but almost tech business era founders.
- ▶ 46:30 David Rosenthal Rockefeller, like the general store, like post-World War II, this is all new.
The Playbook: Lessons from 200+ Company Stories · Acquired
- ▶ 32:50 David Rosenthal John Rockefeller was.
- ▶ 32:54 David Rosenthal Yes, he may, may actually have been a gangster.
- ▶ 32:56 David Rosenthal Uh, you know, he was never satisfied.
- ▶ 33:03 Ben Gilbert Competitor he would acquire into the fold, uh, by whatever means necessary, or no matter what railroad, uh, he just did a, uh, a deal with, um, he would always use that to say, okay, tomorrow morning I wake up and we figure out how to use…
Altimeter (with Brad Gerstner) · Acquired
- ▶ 1:36:57 Brad Gerstner Even Carnegie and Rockefeller couldn't have billions.
Standard Oil Part II (Extended Cut) · Acquired
- ▶ 1:05 Ben Gilbert We saw John D.
- ▶ 1:26 Ben Gilbert Uh, we're gonna cover Rockefeller's legacy and philanthropy and how today's world is a Rockefeller-shaped one in more ways than one.
- ▶ 5:03 David Rosenthal If John D.
- ▶ 5:06 David Rosenthal Today, he would not do the books himself.
- ▶ 5:08 David Rosenthal He would have Pilot do it.
- ▶ 8:37 David Rosenthal The political money is still, uh, flowing around, uh, like hotcakes, uh, or, uh, uh, fine wine, uh, which of course Rockefeller didn't drink because he, he,
- ▶ 9:54 David Rosenthal And then the big thing that we really just spent like, 15 seconds on last time was, uh, the whole, you know, like, oh yeah, JD retires.
- ▶ 10:33 David Rosenthal Right around, literally, like, right as the Sherman Act was passing, um, state legislature members in Ohio, remember, they're, like, they're pretty pissed at, at Rockefeller and, and at, uh, Standard Oil, and, like, this goes all the way…
- ▶ 12:25 David Rosenthal So they had figured out, Standard Oil lawyers had figured out that in the state of New Jersey, now they have operations, Standard Oil has operations in New Jersey, but there's no, you know, Rockefeller and crew, they're at 26 Broadway in…
- ▶ 14:15 David Rosenthal So, as, uh, turnout writes in Titan about this, quote, the 1892 overhaul was mostly shadow play, a charade to appease the courts.
- ▶ 14:52 David Rosenthal Nobody had to switch seats at the lunch table, and Rockefeller and his coterie ruled as absolutely
- ▶ 15:47 David Rosenthal Slowly, but, but then noticeably over the years, um, everybody starts to notice that, like, something's a little different about Rockefeller.
- ▶ 16:50 David Rosenthal Um, and there really are two things happening to Rockefeller at this time.
- ▶ 17:35 David Rosenthal Quote, in explaining his retirement, which this would lead to, the Rockefeller literature has always stressed his health and the heavy burden of his charities, though another factor contributed as well.
- ▶ 18:12 Ben Gilbert So what you're saying is Rockefeller is really only like a zero to one guy, and maybe like a one to 10 guy, and kind of like a 10 to a hundred guy, but maybe not a hundred to a thousand guy.
- ▶ 18:45 Ben Gilbert Yeah, and you know the public sentiment has to be weighing on Rockefeller too, where he's like, look, I believe in my heart of hearts that what I've done here is virtuous.
- ▶ 20:59 David Rosenthal Rockefeller, and a freaking great move for all of the other execs, especially Archbold at, uh, at Standard Oil.
- ▶ 21:08 David Rosenthal Uh, ok, so you said charity, and like everybody asking, you know, John D for his money.
- ▶ 22:00 David Rosenthal And now the general public who knows about this, that, oh, hey, you can just ask John D for money and he might give you money.
- ▶ 23:10 David Rosenthal So this is directly from Rockefeller about this time.
- ▶ 24:08 David Rosenthal Uh, so literally, you know, his, um, uh, folks might, might know who either were familiar before or have, you know, gone and looked up and, uh, John D on the internet since our, our part one, his appearance like radically changes during…
- ▶ 26:43 Ben Gilbert At this point in time, I think Rockefeller was trying to keep it pretty modest, these like, 11% annual dividends, but he himself was receiving three million in these annual dividends.
- ▶ 28:28 Ben Gilbert Comment on this Rockefeller wealth, you know, I mentioned that we're still in sort of this 1890 to 1892 time frame, but I mentioned that, that point when he's worth two hundred million in, in 19 oh two, the GDP of the United States at that…
- ▶ 31:03 Ben Gilbert It's crazy to me that he's looking at this as, uh, he's still the same old Rockefeller.
- ▶ 31:40 Ben Gilbert Large burden for him, and so that's why he ended up deciding, actually, I'm just going to go give it all to the Gates Foundation, and they can figure out, and then I don't have to think about it, whereas there is no, there are no…
- ▶ 32:03 David Rosenthal Well, and I think there's one key difference, though, between Rockefeller and Buffett,
- ▶ 32:25 David Rosenthal Rockefeller has the passion to do it himself, too.
- ▶ 32:42 David Rosenthal Like, that is, like, like, I think if they, you know, we're gonna have so much fun on this episode still to come, but, um, I think if there's one thing to take away from this part, too, it's, like, part one was Rockefeller and Standard Oil…
- ▶ 34:06 Ben Gilbert And I think they already, just to not overcredit, I think they already had, like, a few hundred people enrolled, and they were raising money locally, and they just had some debts, and so Rockefeller came in and just wiped out all the debt,…
- ▶ 34:27 Ben Gilbert And also worth, worth pointing out about Rockefeller's character, which I find fascinating, because a lot of times you study people from this era, and they just have such their,
- ▶ 34:41 Ben Gilbert And Rockefeller does have some less savory parts, uh, in reference to comments that he's made about sort of other ethnic groups here and there, but he went from, like, pre-Civil War being an abolitionist, a big supporter of Lincoln, to…
- ▶ 36:36 David Rosenthal And remember Rockefeller's Baptist, you know, all the Ivy league schools, uh, you just started as religious or quasi religious institutions, but they weren't Baptist, uh, with the exception of Brown.
- ▶ 36:46 David Rosenthal Brown had a lot of Baptist, um, influence and that's where junior Rockefeller's son went.
- ▶ 37:35 David Rosenthal JD, of course, is the perfect benefactor for this, so he gets involved.
- ▶ 37:51 David Rosenthal He ends up sort of scheming, um, uh, Rockefeller's oldest daughter, uh, Bessie ends up marrying his son.
- ▶ 38:00 David Rosenthal Uh, so they get like very involved, but then the project falls apart and Rockefeller withdraws his support.
- ▶ 38:45 Ben Gilbert and so it's a lot cheaper to get building materials out there and hire construction crews, and then of course you have Rockefeller who really wants to do these good works because he thinks they're the right things to do, not because he…
- ▶ 39:39 David Rosenthal So you're saying, like, the opposite of what Rockefeller wants might be something like, um, oh, I don't know, like, Leland Stanford University, or Vanderbilt University, or Duke University.
- ▶ 40:06 Ben Gilbert Rockefeller started, founded the University of Chicago, and that is exactly what he was going for.
- ▶ 40:14 David Rosenthal So like, obviously, probably some of you are thinking like, well, you're talking about how Rockefeller pioneered philanthropy and all that, but like, you guys are missing something.
- ▶ 41:28 David Rosenthal That was not Rockefeller's style.
- ▶ 43:31 David Rosenthal Uh, and sure now is this great, great quote of Rockefeller talking to it, to his son, to junior.
- ▶ 43:48 David Rosenthal Rockefeller placed the scientists at this institution, not the trustees in charge of expenditures, and this was revolutionary.
- ▶ 45:41 David Rosenthal So during Rockefeller's life, he never created a, or intended to create a university with his name on it.
- ▶ 45:51 David Rosenthal This is a quote from Winston Churchill talking about John Rockefeller.
- ▶ 45:58 David Rosenthal When history passes its final verdict on John D.
- ▶ 46:28 David Rosenthal Of these rich men, John D.
- ▶ 48:08 David Rosenthal Remember like this is, you know, we're talking about how modern Rockefeller is and how modern standard oil is and how modern this philanthropy is.
- ▶ 48:35 David Rosenthal Which Rockefeller was actually sympathetic to himself, uh, for a long time.
- ▶ 48:42 David Rosenthal You know, they, Gates and, and Rockefeller and the family, they work with Flexner and they say, how can we, you know, we've done all this research in this science.
- ▶ 50:31 Ben Gilbert So like, this is so Rockefeller and so standard oil, like, you know, and is this being sort of managed by Frederick Gates?
- ▶ 50:48 David Rosenthal Um, but Senior and Junior and Gates, the three of them together, along with the staff that they're building, uh, they're driving all of this.
- ▶ 50:58 Ben Gilbert So listeners, as you can tell by now, Standard Oil Part Two is really like Rockefeller Part Two.
- ▶ 51:28 David Rosenthal You know, we're seniors getting older.
- ▶ 52:55 David Rosenthal Um, you know, Rockefeller, Standard Oil, he won business.
- ▶ 53:39 David Rosenthal Should not have left your name on the door, John.
- ▶ 53:58 Ben Gilbert Rockefeller had sort of handed over to, to Archibald, you know, the, the day-to-day of, of running the company.
- ▶ 54:23 David Rosenthal Which Rockefeller actually was not happy about, paradoxically.
- ▶ 55:37 Ben Gilbert Keep in mind, Rockefeller is making 25% of that.
- ▶ 56:20 Ben Gilbert And so, even in his retirement, Rockefeller's real wealth ends up getting piled on top of his
- ▶ 57:10 David Rosenthal So in 1897, right as this run up in the auto industry is starting, uh, and right as JD had fully, you know, tried to walk away, uh, from the business.
- ▶ 58:13 David Rosenthal Rockefeller actually gets called to testify in this case, and he puts on this great show.
- ▶ 1:00:43 David Rosenthal Uh, his campaign manager, McKinley's campaign manager, a guy named Mark Hanna, actually went to high school with John D back when he was going to high school before, uh, Wild Bill pulled him out.
- ▶ 1:02:07 Ben Gilbert It's like, if, if, if, uh, Rockefeller was bad, there's a chance Theodore Roosevelt was badder.
- ▶ 1:02:27 David Rosenthal Theodore Roosevelt, a little, like all the glee that we had in part one for Rockefeller and Standard Oil and Flagler and like all these, uh, mafia dons and everything that they're doing.
- ▶ 1:04:24 Ben Gilbert That is gonna challenge John D.
- ▶ 1:11:08 Ben Gilbert By going to Titusville to rekindle her roots and remember what it was like and, like, stew up some feelings of anti-Rockefeller before embarking on doing this.
- ▶ 1:15:40 Ben Gilbert Like, this whole, all this stuff we said in part one, like, we wouldn't know without Ida, because the only other real account is Rockefeller talking to his official biographer, William O.
- ▶ 1:17:16 David Rosenthal Standard and Rockefeller, when all this comes out, even though the antitrust cases are going on, they don't do anything.
- ▶ 1:20:31 Ben Gilbert I think, yeah, he's the one that, like, got Rockefeller and, and June and Rockefeller's on Rockefeller Jr. on the board of directors of U.S.
- ▶ 1:21:27 David Rosenthal Uh, they subpoena JD to come, uh, in and testify, uh, in front of a grand jury in these, this investigation.
- ▶ 1:21:49 David Rosenthal They issue a warrant for Rockefeller's arrest.
- ▶ 1:23:41 Ben Gilbert Well, and at this point, those guys are, a lot of them are sort of like defending themselves and throwing him on Rockefeller to the bus.
- ▶ 1:24:20 David Rosenthal This quote from Rogers says, quote, we told him, Rockefeller, JD, that he had to keep the title of president.
- ▶ 1:24:45 David Rosenthal You know, Rockefeller, he can stay on the run, he can stay on the lam as long as he wants, but like,
- ▶ 1:27:52 Ben Gilbert At that point, John D had left the company, and so you, you do have this really interesting sort of scenario where, like,
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