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Hankes: Tiger Global Passed on Canva by Misapplying Enterprise Software Metrics
“When I was at Tiger, I flew out to Sydney and spent a bunch of time with the Canva team in person. And, you know, it's obviously now people know about it. It's a remarkable company at the time. It was much smaller than it is now. And At the same time, we were …”
Vince Hankes May 3, 2023 ▶ 46:05 Vince Hankes: Why We Put $300M into OpenAI; Sam Altman's Pitch; Lessons from Josh Kushner | E1009 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Obrecht honors business commitments without term sheets or legal documents
“If I say something and make a commitment to something, then my word is my bond. I don't need a term sheet. I don't need a legal document.”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 6:48 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Canva had zero formal sales and marketing teams until 2020
“Canva until three years ago, we were like a big bodybuilder that had not done a single leg day in their life. So we had a huge upper body, and that was our user acquisition, that was our product, and that was our organic growth. But our two weak little legs we…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 23:34 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Wesley Chan Led Canva's Series A Without 20% Ownership or Board Seat
“I did not have 20% ownership of Canva when I led the Series A. I did not have a board seat. In fact, so many people said no to them because they said, we're not giving you a board seat. Or they said, we're not giving you 20% ownership.”
Wesley Chan Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 24:43 Wesley Chan: How I Created Google Analytics; The Founding Story of Gmail & Canva | 20VC #919 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Canva iterated its pitch deck over 100 times to pre-answer investor objections
“Every time we got feedback back from investors, whether or not it was positive or negative, we'd incorporate that back into our pitch deck and we continuously refined it. And so, at the start, we started off with a pitch deck that was just a few pages, and by …”
Melanie Perkins Jun 10, 2016 ▶ 14:31 20VC: Start Niche, Move Broader & Become Profitable Quickly with Melanie Perkins, Founder & CEO @ Canva
Insight
Starting Canva in Perth forced the team to build without standard VC playbooks
“Because in Perth, there really wasn't much of a VC scene at all, and so it meant that we were sort of just starting out a company without really knowing that there was a whole brand of other companies from our tribe, so we're sort of figuring everything out as…”
Melanie Perkins Jun 10, 2016 ▶ 13:29 20VC: Start Niche, Move Broader & Become Profitable Quickly with Melanie Perkins, Founder & CEO @ Canva
Assertion Supported
Canva lowered its 2026 revenue growth forecast from 30% to 20%
“The facts are that Canva You know, large privately held company in the kind of creative suite space discloses its revenue, even though they're private, and, you know, they were at three billion in gap revenue last year. Going into this year, they're growing at…”
Rory O'Driscoll Aug 12, 2026 ▶ 1:46 Canva Slashes Growth | Talent Exodus at Google | Revolut's $50B CEO Package | Musk's $55B Terrafab
Assertion Supported
Lemkin: Canva Built a Competitive Clone of AI Presentation Tool Gamma
“Canva actually has a Gamma clone now that's not bad.”
Jason Lemkin Nov 13, 2025 ▶ 23:20 Michael Burry Shorts NVIDIA and Palantir & Has Defensibility Died in a World of AI? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Harry Stebbings: AI implementation costs have dropped by 98%
“And it's just such a naive approach to ask that question even, because now the cost of implementation has gone down by 98%.”
Harry Stebbings Sep 29, 2025 ▶ 57:25 Groq Founder, Jonathan Ross: OpenAI & Anthropic Will Build Their Own Chips & Will NVIDIA Hit $10TRN · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Obrecht: Scaling companies must not treat user bases like wet tea towels
“One thing you need to buck the trend of as you become a larger company is insular thinking and treating your user base like a wet tea towel that you need to wring out.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 25:14 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Obrecht: Canva Is Price-Insensitive on AI Coding Tools for Engineers
“We encourage all our engineers to use the best security certified Coding tools that can increase the efficiency and we're not price sensitive around that at all.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 59:53 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Obrecht: Employee liquidity is Canva's primary motivation for an IPO
“I think it's probably liquidity, and there are restrictions, particularly around employee liquidity and what you can do in the U.S. And whatnot around that piece. And so, We do believe in, we're 13 years old as a company. Our employees should have liquidity. T…”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 42:45 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Open · timeframe Sep 2025
Obrecht: Canva's AI Widget Generator Has 20 Million Active Users
“So, so we've got the equivalent of Lovable, it's more for creating widgets and for education purposes, et cetera. It's got twenty million active users already it's going really, really well.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 55:40 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Obrecht: Fidelity is the largest check in Canva secondary round
“They're the anchor of the round. They're the largest check in this round.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 6:46 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Obrecht: ChatGPT-generated images on Canva rose from 0.2% to over 5%
“A year and a half ago.2%, I think it was, of the images uploaded to Canva were from ChatGPT. That's now over five percent.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 1:02:47 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Obrecht: Canva has 240 million monthly active users
“We got two hundred and forty million monthly active users.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 45:26 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Deeter: Canva, Anthropic, and Perplexity will not go public anytime soon
“Now you look at, you know, Canva, you know, forty billion plus, and Anthropica with seventy billion plus, and perplexity, you know deep into DekuKorn status, and like, these businesses, you know, aren't going public anytime soon.”
Byron Deeter Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 38:09 BVP Partner, Byron Deeter: The Future of Venture - Why Chanel vs Walmart is BS · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lemkin: Canva should pursue a direct listing instead of a traditional IPO
“If it ever IPOs, it should do a direct listing, right?”
Jason Lemkin Jul 24, 2025 ▶ 43:47 How Do All Providers Deal with Anthropic Dependency Risk & Figma IPO Breakdown: Where Does it Price? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Adams: Canva launched text-to-image AI in six weeks
“It actually only took us six weeks to launch from woe to go, from someone saying, let's do, crazy idea, let's do, like, type in a box and you get an image out of it. Six weeks later, we deployed all the infrastructure, we'd integrated into the product, and we'…”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 14:53 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Adams: Canva bundles AI tools directly into core subscriptions
“It's all wrapped up in our Canva Pro, or our Canva Enterprise subscription.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 21:19 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Adams: Canva applies an 80/20 design rule balancing simplicity and depth
“So there's this kind of eighty-twenty rule that we apply where when you first get into Canva, you should be able to get 80% of the value, but then as you spend more time with it, you unlock the remaining 20%, which makes you an expert”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 10:05 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Canva drives higher web traffic volume than Adobe
“So I think Canva nowadays is much larger in terms of volume generated to the website than Adobe.”
Val Scholz Jun 21, 2024 ▶ 18:50 Val Scholz: How Revolut Acquired Their First 10M Users: Tips, Tactics & Strategies | E1168 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Canva uses massive in-house content teams to dominate SEO topic clusters
“If you look, for example, at Canva, what they've done is they created content. So they, you basically have crazy big in-house teams that generate content for you so that you can create these topic clusters.”
Val Scholz Jun 21, 2024 ▶ 20:08 Val Scholz: How Revolut Acquired Their First 10M Users: Tips, Tactics & Strategies | E1168 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Howie Liu: AI Will Enable Both Adobe and Canva to Grow
“I don't think it has to be purely a, you know, winner takes all, you know, Adobe wins and Canva loses type of equation, right? I think AI could actually enable both Adobe and Canva to grow and to actually create disruptive experiences”
Howie Liu Aug 25, 2023 ▶ 22:20 Howie Liu: Decoding Airtable's $11B Valuation; The Impending AI Revolution in Enterprise | E1053 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Obrecht: Treating rejected job candidates with integrity brings them back later
“If you leave a nice taste in those people's mouths, like, and you always be the good human, and be the honest Honorable person and speak truths. People come back, and they remember you, and when they are ready for that career change, or when an opportunity doe…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 6:13 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Canva disrupts enterprise SaaS by charging only for active quarterly seats
“We don't try and sell an organization a thousand seats. We only charge you based on the number of active seats in a particular quarter.”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 39:19 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Early Canva made terrible hiring decisions by deferring to big tech titles
“And I guess that came across and we made a bunch of really, really poor hiring decisions because We just assumed these people were smarter than us, and then like, they're in the company like a year, and we're like, Fucking hell. Like you're not really smart at…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 15:55 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Canva's Obrecht: Melanie Perkins and I take opposite approaches to building trust
“Mel and I are completely, so Mel is my wife and the CEO of Canva. So my boss which is and definitely the worthy boss. But we have totally opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to trust. So I trust by default and you can lose that trust. Mel, it takes a l…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 10:00 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Obrecht: Candidates From Obscure, Self-Taught Backgrounds Become Canva's Best Performers
“If you have come from a obscure background, like non-traditional tech or whatever and have taught yourself the tools, I find those people, once they figure out the game, cause this all is just one big game. Once they figure out how to play the game, they are S…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 12:33 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Obrecht: AI adds value through workflow integration, not standalone tools
“There's all these cool tools, but it's really how those tools show up in a workflow where people get their job to be done done. That really adds the most value, and that's why we're investing so heavily into AI as really the co-pilot to help people achieve the…”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 35:16 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Canva was rejected by over 100 VCs before securing its first check
“We spent over a year there, like back and forth, still trying to run our other business. And we got rejected over a hundred times by VCs before we finally convinced some people to invest in us”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 2:53 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Obrecht: Canva co-founder will not build another commercial startup
“Well, I don't think so. It's hard. Although, glance for punishment. Like, we will probably do, we'll run projects, philanthropic projects that are built like a startup based on technology.”
Cliff Obrecht Jan 27, 2023 ▶ 54:13 Canva's Cliff Obrecht: How We Turned Our Yearbook Company to $40B Business | 20VC #971 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Senkut: Shopify and Canva grew 10 to 20 times larger than expected
“But what I have seen with all the great companies we had, whether it be like Shopify or Canva or Adyen, it ended up being like 20 to 10 to 20 times bigger than what we expected.”
Aydin Senkut May 27, 2022 ▶ 9:51 Aydin Senkut: How I Scaled from a $4M Angel Fund to $900M AUM | 20VC #890 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Winters: Canva grows like a network business driven by user content
“Canva is, you know, a company that on the outside looks like more of a consumer subscription company, but it's able to grow like a network because of all the amazing content that's created through the service.”
Casey Winters Sep 22, 2021 ▶ 40:41 Welcome 20Growth: How To Hire a Head of Growth? What are Signs of World-Class Talent? How To Structure the Process? How To Onboard Growth Teams? The Relationship Between Head of Growth and CEO and more with Casey Winters, Chief Product Officer @ Eventbrit
Disclosure
Felicis Ventures wrote its largest single investment check ever to Canva
“One of the biggest investments, in fact, the largest check that Felicis has ever written was into a company in Australia called Canva.”
Wesley Chan Jun 29, 2016 ▶ 14:39 20VC: Felicis' Wesley Chan on The Rise of IoT, Getting Recruited by Larry Page & Creating Google's Biggest Success Disaster
Assertion Supported
Perkins recruited Canva's tech lead using a personalized pitch deck of his Facebook photos
“Actually, one of the reasons that we're able to end up hiring Dave Herndon was I sent him a visual pitch deck where I'd taken photos from his Facebook and created this story about how if he joined Canva, he'd be full of challenges and adventures, and it was go…”
Melanie Perkins Jun 10, 2016 ▶ 11:16 20VC: Start Niche, Move Broader & Become Profitable Quickly with Melanie Perkins, Founder & CEO @ Canva
Assertion Supported
Canva reached 10 million users and 80 million designs by mid-2016
“So we now have it in over ten million users across the globe who have created over eighty million designs.”
Melanie Perkins Jun 10, 2016 ▶ 2:57 20VC: Start Niche, Move Broader & Become Profitable Quickly with Melanie Perkins, Founder & CEO @ Canva
Disclosure
Obrecht: SEO now accounts for 15% of Canva organic acquisition
“SEO is about 50, 15% of the 90% organic to date, so it used to be our number one channel, but now our sort of like user flywheel, word of mouth, and people sharing designs are our biggest.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 1:01:57 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Cliff Obrecht: Canva Uses Four Coding AI Tools, Led by Cursor
“We're running four coding tools at once, right? Cursor seems to be the one that's kind of leading the pack.”
Cliff Obrecht Sep 4, 2025 ▶ 13:27 Anthropic Raises $13BN & OpenAI Buys Statsig for $1.1BN All Stock · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Deeter: Bessemer's largest all-time investments include Twilio, Canva, and Anthropic
“So it used to be Twilio. Then you know, probably StubHub, Canva, Anthropic Yeah, probably, probably that bucket.”
Byron Deeter Aug 25, 2025 ▶ 44:54 BVP Partner, Byron Deeter: The Future of Venture - Why Chanel vs Walmart is BS · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
Wang: Canva raised enterprise plan prices by three times
“Canva, which you mentioned, has raised prices on its enterprise plan by three X.”
Jeff Wang Oct 9, 2024 ▶ 48:05 Jeff Wang: Sequoia Capital's $9BN Global Equities Fund on The Future for NVIDIA, Google & Meta|E1212 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cameron Adams: Word-of-mouth sharing has been Canva's biggest growth driver
“Launching something at Canva that people will spread, that they will tell others about has been the biggest growth driver for us.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 0:16 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Adams: Canva co-founder's previous startup Fluent collapsed after $5M round fell through
“Me and my co-founders in my other startup called Fluent. We're like, very happy we were going to take over the world, and we were just about to land five million dollars in funding. Little did we know that we weren't just about to land five million dollars in …”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 2:48 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Adams: Over 2,000 of Canva's 4,500 employees focus on building product
“We've got 4500 people at Canva now. Roughly about, I think, 1700 of those are engineers, plus they're now product and design orgs with product managers, product designers. So well over, you know, 2000 folks at Canva are focusing on just building the product.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 36:03 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Adams: Canva's initial text-to-image feature used Stable Diffusion
“For that one, that was based on stable diffusion and we've since, like, iterated upon that a whole ton.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 15:20 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Adams: Canva has integrated machine learning for over six years
“So, AI has really spiked in the last two years, but machine learning has been part of our product development process for six or seven years now.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 33:57 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Adams: Product and tech development comprises over 50% of Canva's budget
“If you think of R&D as all product and technology development, be well over 50%.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 35:58 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Adams: Canva employs around 100 machine learning engineers
“We've got about a hundred machine learning engineers and then, you know, product, product, product managers and designers get involved at all stages.”
Cameron Adams Jul 19, 2024 ▶ 33:46 Cameron Adams: How Canva Builds Products: Lessons Learned, What Works? What Flopped? | E1179 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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