frontier models

“There are so many things to build on top of this infrastructure, all these frontier models that is going to create so many trillions of value over the next decade.”

“Like, I think honestly right now there's a bigger gap than there was even two years ago between what the most capable frontier models can do and what they're being used for.”

“It is already the case that I think the frontier models are probably better like health diagnosticians than Your average GP is”

“I don't think open either, if I'm being honest. The reason I don't think open, like, is that it's just so damn expensive to build these things, and so what's the economic incentive?”

“I feel like for frontier models, there is some value in keeping some of the technology closed.”

“But that kind of experience you need insane performance and latency And that's something that we weren't able to achieve in an easy, elegant way with Frontier model. So for certain use cases, there was really no choice.”

“If the market cares about you always improving on something that you don't think you'll ever be perfect on, and healthcare has a lot of use cases like this, it makes more sense to ride the frontier wave.”

“Because the switching costs are zero. Like when the switching costs are zero, that means that, and there's a new frontier model every two months. That means that we very quickly are going to swap them out.”

“The frontier models aren't getting cheaper. I want to be clear on that. They're getting actually slightly more expensive, but the model that is frontier today will in a year be five to 10 X cheaper because it won't be the frontier model anymore.”

“A lot of enterprises will realize so many of the tasks that we're doing, we don't need the very frontier to do it. Like, and we can do it much faster, much cheaper with these open models.”

“There's kind of an ego thing, where, oh no, no, the work that I'm doing, only a frontier model could handle. Oh, this mere open model can't deal with the work that I'm dealing with. And this is like, even admittedly, when I first started switching over, I'd be…”

“Probably, like, 80 to 90%. It's typically the planning that really needs the frontier models.”

“We might see a short-term contraction of usage of the very frontier models.”

“Oftentimes, leadership makes very key decisions that determine the fate of the company, and they don't spend the most hours. Like, if you look at the human hours of a company, most human hours are not spent on making the decisions. They're on gathering data or…”

“For our coding agents and, like, for actually developing product, we probably always want the frontier model, but if you're just, Automating a workflow. If the open source one that's basically free can automate it, then I don't, there's diminishing returns to …”

“Right now, the frontier models know this problem, and they're aggressively moving to incorporate memory and context into their models because they understand that's the mode. And the challenge is you have to pay for it twice. If you say, no, I don't want to us…”

“Part of the driver of the difference is probably the willingness of Chinese companies to do scale distillation of the frontier models.”

“And I think you'll end up with companies using both mixing and matching them depending on the task at hand.”

“The open router, you know, all the tokens with L, you know, with open source is a little misleading, because all the tokens can be in one place, but all the dollars can be in the other place.”

“They're not state of the art compared to the frontier models, but they're, you know, six, nine months behind, depending on how you measure it.”

“I'm not convinced that 90% of enterprise workflows can be handled by open models or Frontier models right now.”

“Though for what it's worth, on whatever chips they have now, they've built frontier models.”

“Customer support will not be using frontier models.”

“This is what open weight models are generally really good at compared to frontier models. When you have a deterministic task where you know the shape of the output, you know the type of problem that you're working on, and it's a type of problem that has been s…”

“I think they're more nervous about frontier models, usually. Part because there's just like a much, there's much more confusion around the data policy about what's like actually happening to the props that I'm sending and where they're being stored and how the…”

“What's happening is, is that you can't customize anthropic models or open AI models right now. Not the big frontier models. You're not allowed to do that.”

“And if you're looking at a Frontier model with double dollar digit cost per token, and you're looking at an open source model that's 10, 11 cents per token, while all tokens aren't created equal, it's still enough of a difference that there's going to be a mas…”

“They're going to replace frontier models. I don't think you can bolt on continuous learning into an existing frontier model. I think they're going to try and the early stages will look like that. But I think ultimately it'll call for a new form of architecture…”

“I mean, there's only going to be one or two trillion dollar outcomes per decade, and they're likely going to be all concentrated for now in, you know, frontier models.”

“I think close to, I think almost all usage of models in three years are going to be primarily open, but that difference between frontier and open is going to become actually larger than it is today.”

“I think that the TAM of frontier models is frankly, overweighted right now.”

“Well, the easy answer is fifty-fifty in the same way that what percentage of enterprise software today is open source versus proprietary. I think it's a pretty even distribution.”

“The answer there for every startup that I know outside of a very few. Is, yeah, it's, well, we're hoping the price, we're hoping the cost curve makes it efficient in 18 to 24 months, right? In the meantime, you're subsidizing in part, right? Because that's wha…”