Sep 19, 2018 · 52m · y-combinator

PR + Content for Growth by Kat Mañalac and Craig Cannon · Y Combinator

Kat Manalac · 26m spoken Craig Cannon · 16m spoken
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In this Y Combinator Startup School presentation, Kat Mañalac and Craig Cannon provide early-stage founders with actionable strategies for leveraging content marketing and DIY public relations to drive initial growth and build brand authority.

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The partners as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.1 Guest disagreement 0.1 The partners pushing back 0.0
05100:0015:0030:0045:002:31–5:09 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Growth Foundations and the Role of Press Kat and Craig deliver an instructional lecture defining content versus PR, warning that press is not a scalable user acquisition strategy. No host is present or actively interjecting during this presentation segment.5:09–8:30 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Content Strategy: Timing and 'Content as Product' Craig outlines the framework of 'content as product' and explains conversion and engagement goals for early-stage companies. The segment is an uninterrupted solo lecture.8:30–12:26 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Channel Selection and Customer Distribution Craig explains channel distribution, using Scentbird and YC's early essays on Hacker News as examples of finding where customers congregate. This is delivered as a solo presentation.12:26–14:48 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Creating Quality Content and Assessing Competition Craig shares the headline-selection process from The Onion and emphasizes that startup content competes against general viral internet media. The delivery is educational and lecture-based.14:48–19:18 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Promotion Execution and Content Format Examples Craig details practical content formats like text interviews and SEO city guides before transitioning back to Kat. There is no host involvement or disagreement.19:18–22:58 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Purpose, Timing, and Fundamentals of PR Kat explains why early-stage startups should avoid hiring expensive PR agencies and instead handle press outreach as business development. The section is presented as instructional guidance.22:58–28:58 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 PR Preparation: News Monitoring and Roadmaps Kat outlines practical PR preparation, including monitoring industry news and mapping out milestone announcements on a 3-to-6 month calendar. This is delivered as a structured monologue.28:58–35:43 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Answering Reporter FAQs and Pitch Mechanics Kat reviews pitch structuring, exclusive pitching strategies, and standard reporter FAQ preparation. The presentation continues without interruptions or host pushback.35:43–39:08 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 PR Pitfalls, Promotion, and Measuring Success Kat covers key PR mistakes to avoid, including asking for article drafts or fabricating metrics, and stresses the importance of promoting earned media. Monologue delivery.39:08–52:52 · The partners as informed peer 0/10 Audience Q&A Session and Conclusion Kat and Craig answer founder questions regarding clickbait, influencers, and publishing cadence before an audience marketer shares tips on using HARO and Twitter. The interaction is entirely cooperative and constructive.2:31–5:09 · Guest teaching 0/10 Growth Foundations and the Role of Press Kat and Craig deliver an instructional lecture defining content versus PR, warning that press is not a scalable user acquisition strategy. No host is present or actively interjecting during this presentation segment.5:09–8:30 · Guest teaching 0/10 Content Strategy: Timing and 'Content as Product' Craig outlines the framework of 'content as product' and explains conversion and engagement goals for early-stage companies. The segment is an uninterrupted solo lecture.8:30–12:26 · Guest teaching 0/10 Channel Selection and Customer Distribution Craig explains channel distribution, using Scentbird and YC's early essays on Hacker News as examples of finding where customers congregate. This is delivered as a solo presentation.12:26–14:48 · Guest teaching 0/10 Creating Quality Content and Assessing Competition Craig shares the headline-selection process from The Onion and emphasizes that startup content competes against general viral internet media. The delivery is educational and lecture-based.14:48–19:18 · Guest teaching 0/10 Promotion Execution and Content Format Examples Craig details practical content formats like text interviews and SEO city guides before transitioning back to Kat. There is no host involvement or disagreement.19:18–22:58 · Guest teaching 0/10 Purpose, Timing, and Fundamentals of PR Kat explains why early-stage startups should avoid hiring expensive PR agencies and instead handle press outreach as business development. The section is presented as instructional guidance.22:58–28:58 · Guest teaching 0/10 PR Preparation: News Monitoring and Roadmaps Kat outlines practical PR preparation, including monitoring industry news and mapping out milestone announcements on a 3-to-6 month calendar. This is delivered as a structured monologue.28:58–35:43 · Guest teaching 0/10 Answering Reporter FAQs and Pitch Mechanics Kat reviews pitch structuring, exclusive pitching strategies, and standard reporter FAQ preparation. The presentation continues without interruptions or host pushback.35:43–39:08 · Guest teaching 0/10 PR Pitfalls, Promotion, and Measuring Success Kat covers key PR mistakes to avoid, including asking for article drafts or fabricating metrics, and stresses the importance of promoting earned media. Monologue delivery.39:08–52:52 · Guest teaching 1/10 Audience Q&A Session and Conclusion Kat and Craig answer founder questions regarding clickbait, influencers, and publishing cadence before an audience marketer shares tips on using HARO and Twitter. The interaction is entirely cooperative and constructive.2:31–5:09 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Growth Foundations and the Role of Press Kat and Craig deliver an instructional lecture defining content versus PR, warning that press is not a scalable user acquisition strategy. No host is present or actively interjecting during this presentation segment.5:09–8:30 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Content Strategy: Timing and 'Content as Product' Craig outlines the framework of 'content as product' and explains conversion and engagement goals for early-stage companies. The segment is an uninterrupted solo lecture.8:30–12:26 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Channel Selection and Customer Distribution Craig explains channel distribution, using Scentbird and YC's early essays on Hacker News as examples of finding where customers congregate. This is delivered as a solo presentation.12:26–14:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Creating Quality Content and Assessing Competition Craig shares the headline-selection process from The Onion and emphasizes that startup content competes against general viral internet media. The delivery is educational and lecture-based.14:48–19:18 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Promotion Execution and Content Format Examples Craig details practical content formats like text interviews and SEO city guides before transitioning back to Kat. There is no host involvement or disagreement.19:18–22:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Purpose, Timing, and Fundamentals of PR Kat explains why early-stage startups should avoid hiring expensive PR agencies and instead handle press outreach as business development. The section is presented as instructional guidance.22:58–28:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 PR Preparation: News Monitoring and Roadmaps Kat outlines practical PR preparation, including monitoring industry news and mapping out milestone announcements on a 3-to-6 month calendar. This is delivered as a structured monologue.28:58–35:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Answering Reporter FAQs and Pitch Mechanics Kat reviews pitch structuring, exclusive pitching strategies, and standard reporter FAQ preparation. The presentation continues without interruptions or host pushback.35:43–39:08 · Guest disagreement 0/10 PR Pitfalls, Promotion, and Measuring Success Kat covers key PR mistakes to avoid, including asking for article drafts or fabricating metrics, and stresses the importance of promoting earned media. Monologue delivery.39:08–52:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Audience Q&A Session and Conclusion Kat and Craig answer founder questions regarding clickbait, influencers, and publishing cadence before an audience marketer shares tips on using HARO and Twitter. The interaction is entirely cooperative and constructive.2:31–5:09 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Growth Foundations and the Role of Press Kat and Craig deliver an instructional lecture defining content versus PR, warning that press is not a scalable user acquisition strategy. No host is present or actively interjecting during this presentation segment.5:09–8:30 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Content Strategy: Timing and 'Content as Product' Craig outlines the framework of 'content as product' and explains conversion and engagement goals for early-stage companies. The segment is an uninterrupted solo lecture.8:30–12:26 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Channel Selection and Customer Distribution Craig explains channel distribution, using Scentbird and YC's early essays on Hacker News as examples of finding where customers congregate. This is delivered as a solo presentation.12:26–14:48 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Creating Quality Content and Assessing Competition Craig shares the headline-selection process from The Onion and emphasizes that startup content competes against general viral internet media. The delivery is educational and lecture-based.14:48–19:18 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Promotion Execution and Content Format Examples Craig details practical content formats like text interviews and SEO city guides before transitioning back to Kat. There is no host involvement or disagreement.19:18–22:58 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Purpose, Timing, and Fundamentals of PR Kat explains why early-stage startups should avoid hiring expensive PR agencies and instead handle press outreach as business development. The section is presented as instructional guidance.22:58–28:58 · The partners pushing back 0/10 PR Preparation: News Monitoring and Roadmaps Kat outlines practical PR preparation, including monitoring industry news and mapping out milestone announcements on a 3-to-6 month calendar. This is delivered as a structured monologue.28:58–35:43 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Answering Reporter FAQs and Pitch Mechanics Kat reviews pitch structuring, exclusive pitching strategies, and standard reporter FAQ preparation. The presentation continues without interruptions or host pushback.35:43–39:08 · The partners pushing back 0/10 PR Pitfalls, Promotion, and Measuring Success Kat covers key PR mistakes to avoid, including asking for article drafts or fabricating metrics, and stresses the importance of promoting earned media. Monologue delivery.39:08–52:52 · The partners pushing back 0/10 Audience Q&A Session and Conclusion Kat and Craig answer founder questions regarding clickbait, influencers, and publishing cadence before an audience marketer shares tips on using HARO and Twitter. The interaction is entirely cooperative and constructive.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 45:36 Craig rejects clickbait titling

Craig firmly dismisses the suggestion of relying on clickbait headlines, asserting that understanding customer needs yields far better long-term engagement.

Hardest push from the partners ▶ 48:59 Audience clarifies celebrity brand fallout

An audience member follows up to clarify whether brand controversy around endorsements can simply be leveraged for opportunistic PR.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:45 Kat demystifies outsourced PR firms

Kat educates the audience on why hiring external PR firms at the seed stage is a waste of capital, explaining that founders must manage press relations directly like business development.

The partners hold their own ▶ 51:10 Audience professional shares HARO tip

A marketing professional in the audience takes the microphone to contribute domain expertise on using HARO and Twitter to build direct reporter relationships.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe partners as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe partners pushing backWhy
Growth Foundations and the Role of Press 0000 Kat and Craig deliver an instructional lecture defining content versus PR, warning that press is not a scalable user acquisition strategy. No host is present or actively interjecting during this presentation segment.
Content Strategy: Timing and 'Content as Product' 0000 Craig outlines the framework of 'content as product' and explains conversion and engagement goals for early-stage companies. The segment is an uninterrupted solo lecture.
Channel Selection and Customer Distribution 0000 Craig explains channel distribution, using Scentbird and YC's early essays on Hacker News as examples of finding where customers congregate. This is delivered as a solo presentation.
Creating Quality Content and Assessing Competition 0000 Craig shares the headline-selection process from The Onion and emphasizes that startup content competes against general viral internet media. The delivery is educational and lecture-based.
Promotion Execution and Content Format Examples 0000 Craig details practical content formats like text interviews and SEO city guides before transitioning back to Kat. There is no host involvement or disagreement.
Purpose, Timing, and Fundamentals of PR 0000 Kat explains why early-stage startups should avoid hiring expensive PR agencies and instead handle press outreach as business development. The section is presented as instructional guidance.
PR Preparation: News Monitoring and Roadmaps 0000 Kat outlines practical PR preparation, including monitoring industry news and mapping out milestone announcements on a 3-to-6 month calendar. This is delivered as a structured monologue.
Answering Reporter FAQs and Pitch Mechanics 0000 Kat reviews pitch structuring, exclusive pitching strategies, and standard reporter FAQ preparation. The presentation continues without interruptions or host pushback.
PR Pitfalls, Promotion, and Measuring Success 0000 Kat covers key PR mistakes to avoid, including asking for article drafts or fabricating metrics, and stresses the importance of promoting earned media. Monologue delivery.
Audience Q&A Session and Conclusion 0110 Kat and Craig answer founder questions regarding clickbait, influencers, and publishing cadence before an audience marketer shares tips on using HARO and Twitter. The interaction is entirely cooperative and constructive.

Statements from this episode (27)

Insight
Mañalac: Viral startup stories must be easy for others to repeat
“You will need to tell it clearly and succinctly because the goal is to tell it in a way where other people, it makes it easy for other people to repeat that story for you and help you spread the word. That's how anything becomes viral.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 1:29
Insight
Cannon: Avoid content marketing until user churn is low
“You really want to be doing this after you've made something people want, and you're confident that they're not churning. Because if they're churning, you're just wasting a ton of energy and a ton of money.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 5:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cannon: Zapier's early content mistakenly targeted Hacker News over actual customers
“In the early days, what they were doing Was making things that Hacker News wanted, but it turns out that Hacker News and their customers was not a 100% overlap. So they were spending all this energy generating this content to get people through the door, but t…”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 6:27
Insight
Cannon: Early-stage startups should ignore brand building entirely
“There's this third thing called brand, which is kind of this like vague, misty thing about like how people perceive you. You really don't need to worry about this early on.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 7:13
Insight
Cannon: Remarketing to website visitors is the cheapest Facebook ad audience
“What this is going to do is capture who's hitting your site, who's logged into Facebook, so then you can later remarket at them, and this is going to be much cheaper than any other kind of Facebook audience that you can create.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 8:02
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cannon: Y Combinator has relied on content marketing since its inception
“YC, Although PG and Jessica, Robert and Trevor might not say this, has been doing, like, content marketing since the very beginning. Even before. So with Paul's essays, and then Hacker News was built, and then those essays do really well, and that's the exact …”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 9:53
Insight
Cannon: Anonymous high-volume headline brainstorming eliminates status bias
“And so what this is really good at is, first of all, it removes biases for, like, who's the CEO, who's the new guy, or whatever, or girl, whatever. And it also gets you past the point of the, like, those first three ideas Which are kind of the same from everyo…”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 11:36
Insight
Cannon: Content quality should dictate publishing cadence, not arbitrary schedules
“It could take you three days to write a blog post, and, you know, maybe in the early days you can't do that, but you should let that amount of time dictate how often you can put stuff out, rather than go the other way and be like, shit, I have to get a thing o…”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 12:51
Insight
Cannon: Startup content competes with Elon Musk smoking weed on Joe Rogan
“Most people think that they're competing with people that make the same stuff that they make. That is a hundred percent not true. You are competing with this. Elon Musk smoking weed on Joe Rogan's podcast. I haven't checked the views, but I think it's probably…”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 14:09
Insight
Cannon: Text interviews are a low-effort content cheat code for startups
“Text interviews are like a total cheat code for young companies, because they require way less production than video or audio. The internet really likes it for like SEO, for scraping and it makes the person look really smart.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 16:44
Opinion
Cannon: Authentic engagement on Hacker News and Product Hunt remains undervalued
“Just getting good at engaging with your community on HN and Product Hunt is really undervalued.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 18:10
Insight
Cannon: Publishing physical books helps startups stand out because competitors won't
“This is super powerful in terms of, like, your influencer status, but really, really hard to track. So this would be later down the road, but it is effective, and because it's hard, most people aren't going to do it, so you can really stand out.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 18:53
Insight
Mañalac: PR provides early visibility and SEO, not scalable user acquisition
“As I mentioned, it's not a scalable user acquisition, but it can get you some early adopting users, it can give you, ah, you know, your investors or potential employees a heads up that you exist, and it can help with SEO.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 19:23
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mañalac: Most YC startups wait for product launch before pitching press
“Most companies who go through YC wait until they have a launched product and some very early users before they bother pitching to press.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 20:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mañalac: Most media outlets no longer cover very early-stage startups
“Most media outlets don't cover very early stage startups anymore.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 20:31
Insight
Mañalac: Seed and Series A startups generally cannot afford PR firm retainers
“PR firms are way too expensive. Typically you have to keep them on a monthly retainer, and, you know, most companies, even through Seed, Series A, they don't have the budget for that.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 21:20
Insight
Mañalac: Do not hire PR help until inbound exceeds founder capacity
“You shouldn't bother thinking about hiring a firm or someone in-house until you have more funding and so much inbound that the founders can't deal with it themselves.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 21:47
Insight
Mañalac: Early-stage founders must treat pitching press like core business development
“So like BD or sales, which you wouldn't outsource early in your company's life, you shouldn't outsource pitching to press in the very early stages of your company.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 22:31
Insight
Mañalac: A startup's one-sentence pitch must only cover product and target customer
“So one sentence pitch should go over two things, what you're building and who you're building it for. And you should be able to say this in jargon free terms that anyone can understand and repeat.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 25:12
Disclosure
Mañalac: Y Combinator uses three-to-five sentence email pitches for startup press launches
“So usually when we are pitching, ah, companies at YC, when we're pitching to press about their launches or fundraising, this is the pitch that we send to reporters.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 26:46
Insight
Mañalac: Outline three to five key points rather than over-rehearsing press interviews
“What I typically tell founders to do is have answers to all those questions and then what I recommend doing before talking to press is bullet pointing the three to five points that you want to make sure to talk about in an interview, and then let the rest of t…”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 29:53
Insight
Mañalac: Early-stage startups should offer press exclusives to secure reporter interest
“A reporter is more likely to pick up your story and write it if they get an exclusive, if they can break the news, if they can get that scoop. So I recommend offering that one publication at exclusive, and once you're a bigger company, and more of a household …”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 32:57
Insight
Mañalac: Warm PR introductions yield 50% response rates versus 10% for cold
“Cold emailing will get you, maybe if you're lucky, a one in 10 response, and warm introductions will get, you know, at least half the time you'll get someone to respond to you.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 33:52
Insight
Mañalac: PR announcements require an absolute minimum of two weeks lead time
“Say you want to announce something two or three weeks from now, give it at the very least two weeks for the whole process of warm introductions and making, you know, a, you know, meeting with that reporter and then having the piece come out. So two weeks is th…”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 35:26
Insight
Mañalac: Asking reporters to review article drafts severely offends their journalistic integrity
“Reporters get incredibly offended. They think you're questioning their journalistic integrity if you ask Ask to see what they're writing before they publish it.”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 36:50
Insight
Cannon: Early startups should host blogs on their own site, not Medium
“People connect with other humans, and so you, like having that little extra touch is nice, but I would say overall like you're gonna want it on your own site for SEO. Yeah, I like, I kind of disagree with people putting stuff on Medium and stuff early on.”
Craig Cannon Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 40:53
Insight
Mañalac: Paid influencer marketing is rarely cost-effective for early-stage startups
“A big problem is that influencers often charge you and are expensive. Like, if you get some huge influencer who just loves what you're doing and wants to tweet about you, and that's great, but more often than not, they're gonna charge you and it's not worth, a…”
Kat Mañalac Sep 19, 2018 ▶ 41:52
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