Oct 24, 2018 · 54m · y-combinator
After PMF: People, Customers, Sales by Mathilde Collin · Y Combinator
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In this Y Combinator talk, Front CEO and co-founder Mathilde Collin shares essential insights on building a successful B2B SaaS company, covering topics from company culture and radical transparency to customer discovery, pricing strategies, and founder discipline.
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The partners as informed peer 3.3 Guest teaching 3.4 Guest disagreement 1.3 The partners pushing back 1.6
speaking balance: gold is the partners, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 39:03 Collin dismantling common founder excuses
Collin forcefully criticizes founders who distract themselves with redesigns and create excuses instead of facing flat growth metrics.
Hardest push from the partners ▶ 7:43 Jeff highlighting financial and personal riskJeff challenges Collin's casual depiction of starting Front by emphasizing her significant student debt and abrupt departure from employment.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:46 Collin on the fallacy of hiring experts to solve unknownsCollin corrects the common assumption that founders should hire experienced people to figure out unresolved domains, explaining that CEOs must solve the baseline workflow first.
The partners hold their own ▶ 22:30 Jeff connecting product shame to classic PMF theoryJeff injects startup canon by noting that feeling embarrassed by an early product while users still love it is the textbook definition of product-market fit.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The partners as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The partners pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Founding Front, Co-Founder Dynamics, and CEO Role Evolution | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Host Jeff guides Collin through her early founder journey, gently noting the financial risks she took. Collin articulates clear counter-intuitive principles on co-founder compatibility and explains why CEOs must figure out operational roles before delegating or hiring for them. | |
| Hiring Philosophy, Company Values, and Radical Transparency | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Jeff probes Collin on whether values are compromised during urgent hiring and asks for specifics on transparency. Collin reframes transparency into productive versus counterproductive categories and details her strict hiring bar. | |
| Achieving Product-Market Fit and Customer Discovery | 4 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Jeff actively contributes by connecting Collin's shame regarding early versions of Front to standard definitions of product-market fit. Collin emphasizes customer discovery discipline and listening directly to user workflows. | |
| Pricing Strategy and Enterprise Sales Execution | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 | Jeff asks tactical questions about pricing models and customer validation. Collin dismisses overthinking early pricing or asking non-paying users for pricing advice, instead recommending rapid market confrontation and measuring sales input activity over output quotas. | |
| Fundraising Insights and Founder Discipline | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Jeff jokes about Collin's unusually easy fundraising rounds, prompting Collin to passionately dissect the delusions founders use to excuse lack of growth instead of enforcing regular metric reporting. | |
| Personal Resilience, Co-Founder Illness, and Work-Life Balance | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Jeff sets up an empathetic discussion about personal resilience following Collin's co-founder's cancer diagnosis. Collin shares deeply personal takeaways about prioritizing health, life balance, and daily meditation over startup anxieties. | |
| Audience Q&A Session | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Jeff acts strictly as an MC repeating audience questions for the room. Collin handles practical inquiries regarding enterprise security, price hikes, initial sales targets, and creative pre-launch monetization tests. |
Statements from this episode (18)
Collin: Transparency is just a tool to generate employee engagement at scale
“I don't believe that transparency is good in itself. And that's why you should be transparent. I believe that that's the most efficient way I've found to create engagement at scale.”
Collin: Operational discipline is more important than having a grand vision
“I think the most important thing is discipline, and I think that discipline is actually more important than having a grand vision. And my personal belief, and I am sure that not a lot of people agree with me, is one of the reasons why we've been successful so …”
Collin: Co-founders should optimize for mutual respect over personal friendship
“We have so much respect for one another, and that's the thing that you need to optimize for. It doesn't matter how well you get along, you just need to be so impressed by whatever your other person or other persons are doing.”
Collin: Hires rarely solve company problems founders cannot figure out themselves
“The truth is, if with all the knowledge I have about the company, I can't figure out something, I think it's very rare that someone would come and figure it out.”
Collin interviewed every candidate at Front until reaching 80 employees
“And I kept interviewing everyone till, like, employee number 80 or something.”
Collin: Front reached 110 employees and $80M raised with zero finance staff
“In a company that's fast growing, like you think, for example, I've been willing to hire a head of finance for,
I don't know, six months, and it's so important, like, we don't have any finance person at France, and we, I don't know, we're a 110 people, we've r…”
Collin: Front lost just two employees in its entire history
“Our NPS is 87th, which is super high. If you look at Glassdoor, we only have five stars reviews. If you look at our attrition no one has, there are just two people that have left Fronty ever, and it was one to go back to school, one to join the company of thei…”
Front had 3,000 waitlist signups when interviewing at YC
“When I interviewed at YC we had 3000 companies that had signed up to our product, but it was closed beta, so they were not using it yet”
Front finished Y Combinator with $5K MRR and 130 customers
“When we left YC, we had 5000 MR, and so we had probably like 130 companies using the product.”
Front had zero user churn at YC Demo Day
“We hadn't had a single user churn. So basically the reason why I'm saying that is cause every time someone joined the company at front, I show the video of demo day. So I know my demo day pitch by heart cause I've listened to it so many times. And so part of t…”
Collin: Prioritize feedback only from paying customers
“When you want to listen to some feedback, you should listen to feedback of people that are paying some money because otherwise you can be overwhelmed with feedback
From people that will never pay for your products.”
Collin: Chasing revenue by building custom requests derails product direction
“I think the biggest danger is you have a customer and then, you know, you care so much about growing your revenue. So then they're telling you, I want this. And so then you build this. And I want that, and you build that, and then you just pull your, you push …”
Collin: Early sales teams must be evaluated on inputs, not revenue targets
“I think that the input is far more important at this stage than the output, because the truth is,
If they don't hit their target, first, your target could be wrong, and how could you know what your target should be when you are so early?
and two, maybe your p…”
Collin: Front raised every funding round within a single week
“Every every time we've raised in a week.”
Collin can predict a startup's success from its first three investor updates
“I've invested in a few companies since, like, I don't know, in the past few years, and you can't imagine how I can tell you after two or three emails, so two or three months, which companies are going to be successful.”
Collin: Delaying SaaS price increases makes customers angry twice
“The temptation is to say we're going to raise our price, but we'll do that maybe in a year, and so you want to be nice, and so you give a lot of time. The problem is, you actually make your customers angry twice, because by then they had forgotten, and so then…”
Collin: A first sales rep must generate 3x to 6x their compensation
“There are a few, ah, ratio you can hear off, so for example, they should bring between three X and six X the amount of money they're paid, so then you have a range, because the truth is, if they bring less than what they're paid, probably not good. Ah, 10 X, l…”
Front acquired its first 3,000 private beta signups via content marketing
“So it was only content marketing. So I was doing an email product, and I was writing all these blog posts about is email dead, as Slack is saying, or like all kinds of things that I think people were curious to hear about, or what will email look like 20 years…”