SAFE

also referred to as: safes

17 statements across 4 episodes · 4 bullish · 3 bearish · 4 people on the record · first statement Mar 6, 2018 by Carolynn Levy · said 14 times in 2 episodes since 2018 · across every show →

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brought up most by Andy Bromberg (6), Geoff Ralston (4), Carolynn Levy (4)

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Mar 6, 2018 negative
Insight
Levy: Investors should not use SAFEs for lifestyle businesses
“If you want to fund lifestyle companies, You definitely do not want to use the safe, because then you're going to have this problem all the time.”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 26:17 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 neutral
Assertion Supported
Nathoo: Priced Round Term Sheets Usually Specify SAFEs Convert Pre-Money
“Next thing is that the safes convert into shares, and although the safes themselves don't, ah, state this, the term sheet will usually specify that the safes convert in the pre-money.”
Kirsty Nathoo Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 12:55 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018
Assertion Supported
Levy: SAFEs are not debt, accrue no interest, and lack maturity dates
“One of the most important things, I say this a lot, the safe is not a loan. It is not debt. It does not accrue interest. There is no right to be repaid at some point in the future at some maturity date. So please don't call it a safe note.”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 5:12 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018
Assertion Supported
Ralston: Carolynn Levy invented the SAFE after Wilson Sonsini
“Carolyn is the Is the person who actually invented the safe. She used to be attorney at Wilson Sonsini before coming here, and Kirstie is the CFO of YC.”
Geoff Ralston Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 0:42 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 positive
Insight
Ralston: SAFEs beat debt because debt allows investors to kill viable startups
“About lifestyle companies and why I think the safe is preferred in general to debt is because we've seen too many times where the fact that there's debt there is used to kill a company that didn't have to die. And it's too easy for investors to call that debt …”
Geoff Ralston Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 57:50 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Nathoo: Series A leads push pre-money SAFE conversion targeting 20% ownership
“Series A lead investors are getting more clever about this and realizing that if the safes convert in the pre-money, then the, Lead investors getting less dilution. And really all that's happening is if the safes do convert in the round, they'll just massage t…”
Kirsty Nathoo Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 49:05 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Levy: Founders breach contracts if they ignore SAFE pro rata rights
“This is a contractual right. You're breaching the contract if you do not give the safe holders their pro rata right.”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 41:56 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Levy: Startups no longer need PPMs for SAFEs or priced rounds
“You don't even need a PPM these days to do a priced round. Nobody, nobody really does those anymore. SAFE is just one document. That's all you need. For a priced round, it's usually just a term sheet.”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 47:27 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018
Insight
Levy: Startup dissolutions rarely leave enough money to repay investors
“In a dissolution situation, not only is there never any money for stockholders, but there's rarely enough to pay back investors either.”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 25:16 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018 neutral
Insight
Nathoo: A SAFE Valuation Cap Is Not the Startup's Current Valuation
“They think it's a current valuation of the company. That's really not what it is. All it is, is a way for you to be rewarded for coming in at the earlier stage, ah, when in theory you're investing at a riskier stage.”
Kirsty Nathoo Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 10:36 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018
Insight
Levy: Use convertible notes over SAFEs if prior investors used notes
“A time when you may not want to use the safe is if you are looking at a company that has already issued convertible promissory notes to earlier investors, and if that's the case, you're going to want to go ahead and just use that same note, not use the safe, a…”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 3:38 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 6, 2018
Assertion Supported
Levy: Typical startup SAFE discount rates range between 10% and 20%
“Typical discount rate ranges in between 10 and 20%, so for example, ah, if the series A round that your SAFE is converting in is the lead investor has priced it at a dollar per share, and you've negotiated a 20% discount, your effective price is 80 cents a sha…”
Carolynn Levy Mar 6, 2018 ▶ 8:23 Carolynn Levy and Kirsty Nathoo - Startup Investor School Day 1 · Y Combinator
Mar 7, 2018 positive
Opinion
Ralston: SAFEs Benefit Founders By Being Simple, Fast, and Cheap
“Why would you do a safe? Well, because it's simple, it's easy, it's fast, and it's cheap. It's better for founders.”
Geoff Ralston Mar 7, 2018 ▶ 3:54 Dalton Caldwell - Startup Investor School Day 2 · Y Combinator
Oct 10, 2018 negative
Insight
Ralston: Setting too high a valuation cap can kill a fundraising round
“It is really dangerous to choose too high a valuation. And in fact, it can kill your fundraising, because it's quite difficult to go to, ah, an investor who might kind of be interested, and you say, I'm gonna raise at a twelve million dollar cap. On my safe. A…”
Geoff Ralston Oct 10, 2018 ▶ 11:50 Fundraising Fundamentals By Geoff Ralston · Y Combinator
Mar 29, 2023 positive
Insight
Flora: Founders using SAFEs retain more control than ever in history
“Founders have had more, have more control over their companies today than ever in the history of startups. And why is this? It's because when you raise with safes, you don't give up any board seats. All right. There's no board seat nonsense in safes. After you…”
Brad Flora Mar 29, 2023 ▶ 18:20 How Startup Fundraising Works | Startup School · Y Combinator
Mar 29, 2023 positive
Assertion Supported
Flora: Asher Bio raised its first $1M on SAFEs with an idea
“The founders of Asher came into YC with just the idea. And they were able to raise the first round of funding using safes quickly from angels. This is pretty novel for a biotech company. And using that first million or so that they raised, they could accelerat…”
Brad Flora Mar 29, 2023 ▶ 17:26 How Startup Fundraising Works | Startup School · Y Combinator
Mar 29, 2023 neutral
Insight
Flora: Nobody uses discounts in SAFE fundraising rounds
“The amount of the investment, the valuation cap of the investment, and then the discount. And guess what? Nobody does discounts. So there's only two terms that you really need to discuss when closing a safe.”
Brad Flora Mar 29, 2023 ▶ 16:09 How Startup Fundraising Works | Startup School · Y Combinator
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