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Kaevand: AppSumo brings the wrong customers for long-term SaaS retention
“Yeah, because like if you launch there you get wrong kind of customers. You don't get the kind of customers that are going to be with you like long-term. They don't count towards churn like retention. It's a lifetime plan. It's like only good for like very spe…”
Instantly sends hundreds of thousands of cold emails daily to acquire customers
“And then on the marketing stuff, it's just, we used instantly sending 100,000 of emails every day.”
Kaevand: Cold email subject lines are overrated compared to copy and targeting
“The subject line is overrated. Keep it super simple. It doesn't really matter. It's all about the copy and the targeting that, that it actually resonates with the people.”
Kaevand refuses to raise outside funding for Instantly acquisitions
“I like these things like acquiring, like, different companies. It might be cool, like at some point, but I wouldn't raise money for it to do it. Maybe it's like a stupid business wise, but just for like our, Like the way we built this company and we like worki…”
Naming communities by topic rather than brand boosts search discovery
“We didn't want to have that main thing. We are a company because we want that cold emails first. So a little bit like Facebook SEO. So it comes up when people search for cold email. So it's not only for us and then just the masterclass, because it's like a sup…”
Kaevand: Instantly users churn from lack of success, not software flaws
“So with like most, we did like churn service and most people like just churn, like, because they don't get a success. The only reason it's not a problem with the tool, but it's on us that we can help them get better results.”
Instantly acquired its first customers by upselling agency clients
“The first clients that we got for instantly were all the clients that we jumped on a call, offered a service in our leaders agency, and then used instantly.”
Instantly split 50% equity to its developer and 50% to marketing
“We pivoted and then we decided to go fifty-fifty and then from my side like previously what I've done wrong is I've given like too much equity in like wrong places and focused more on like software, like other stuff. But I realized like the marketing sales is …”
Instantly hit $10k–$15k MRR when its founders shut down their agency
“Oh, I think it was around, like, 10, 15 K's.”
Instantly rejected AppSumo's request to run a second lifetime deal campaign
“AppSumo has asked us to go back. Like, so like, no, like no more lifetime deals. Like it's out of question.”
Instantly operates with a lean team of 15 employees
“So we have the four core team members. Then we have around six or seven now on support. So the support is a big focus for us right now. And then just really, we have, we just had like two more developers. We're working a long time versus like one. So two full-…”
Instantly was originally built purely as an internal agency tool
“Like we didn't even plan on launching it just for our own agency. But when we did it and start talking to people about it, then really, so like we have something it's unique.”
Kaevand's lead gen agency hit $30k–$40k MRR before launching SaaS
“And when we launched instantly publicly, the agent itself was around 30, 40 K MRR.”
Kaevand met his Instantly technical co-founder Sumit on Reddit
“So I posted on indie hackers, I posted on Reddit, which is like a full stack market. They're looking for partners. And this dude randomly messaged me on Reddit... And yeah, on Reddit, I just made a post like co-founder subreddit. We messaged, we talked, and we…”