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David Barrett equates celebrating venture capital funding to celebrating bank loans
“Like, to celebrate raising money is to celebrate that you took out a loan.”
Barrett: Top Companies Win via Word-of-Mouth, Which VCs Ignore
“With the exception that no business you cared about was ever built that way. Like every business, every, all the top names in the industry are built through word of mouth. And, but no one talks about that because it's not possible to be funded with capital. An…”
David Barrett says enterprise software sucks compared to mid-market opportunities
“Enterprise sucks, man. It's just like, it's super slow sales cycles. The margins are terrible. It's super competitive. It's whatever. The real opportunity is mid-market and below.”
Barrett: User counts and conversion rates are vanity metrics compared to revenue
“Cause I would say like, I think about month, like revenue, obviously in month and month annual growth, but I would say all, everything else is just a vanity metric. Number of users you have, number of customers you have conversion numbers, all those kinds, lik…”
Barrett: Relying only on quantifiable decisions leads to startup failure
“I think the most important decisions are generally not quantified. We're not quantifiable. And so I'd say if you're running your business because you can prove with numbers that your decisions are good, you're going to fail because I mean, someone else out the…”
Barrett: Expensify Pays Zero Sales Commissions to Its Team
“There's no commission sales component. So no one's paid a commission at all, but we certainly have a support team that stands by because it's activity based pricing.”
Barrett: Expensify does zero advertising or outbound sales
“We don't advertise. We're a hundred percent organic. There's no advertisement whatsoever. And so things like churn was like these numbers, which seems so absolutely critical to your business. They actually just don't really matter to us at least because they d…”
Barrett: Expensify does not employ commissioned salespeople
“We don't have any commissioned salespeople, and so that, like, that screws up everyone's models as well.”
Barrett: Expensify's support team is its primary revenue generator
“Actually, our primary revenue generator is our support team. The vast majority of our revenue comes after you've interacted once or twice with our support team, but almost never with, like, a salesperson going through a demo and things like that.”
Barrett: Expense management SaaS is underpriced and should be 10x higher
“Candidly, I view our entire space is vastly underpriced. Like the idea that you can get full expense management, mobile apps, all this automation for nine bucks for active and a third of your company's active. It's really like three bucks for head. That's like…”
Barrett: Keeping subscription pricing low deters SaaS competitors
“It's like about dominating the space and maintaining an incredibly low price right now for the industry actually helps keep the competition out. And so yes, there will become a time where that's the most important thing, but it's just not right now.”
Barrett: Formalized Education Is the Biggest Scam Today
“I think that formalized education is the biggest scam that we're facing right now, and I just am horrified by it, and I'm so glad that I didn't get trapped in the massive debt cycle that everyone else does.”
Barrett: Software differentiation requires business model and acquisition, not just functionality
“Cause if you're gonna differentiate, you can't differentiate through functionality alone. It has to be through acquisition, through business model.”
Barrett: Expensify has 45,000 paying companies, beating top four competitors combined
“I would say like, so we think about 45,000 paying companies. So basically... So we've got more More companies is expensified than the next four expense reporting companies.”
David Barrett argues basic internet and mobile startup ideas are exhausted
“I think right now is a really hard time to start a company because any company that just involves like the internet and mobile and things like that, it's like, it's been done. It's been done like 10 years ago. And so I think we're seeing like this whole series…”
Barrett: Expensify Does Zero Paid Advertising, Grown 100% Word-of-Mouth
“No, we have no advertising going on whatsoever right now. It's all a hundred percent word of mouth.”
Barrett: Expensify's growth slowed only due to enterprise distraction
“The only reason We slowed down at all. It was because we got distracted by the enterprise.”
Barrett: Expensify does not intend to raise more capital and is profitable
“No, no, we haven't raised, we don't intend to raise anymore, I would say we're, you know, profitable, we're growing, and so we just.”
Barrett: Achieving actual profitability matters far more than predicting it
“Predictability is not nearly as important as people make it out to seem, because, like, predictability is always good until suddenly something changes and it's no longer predictable. You're fooling yourself if you think you know the future. I think it's much b…”
Barrett: Routing around decision makers is Expensify's core driver of success
“Routing around the decision maker has been our entire business model and is why we succeed.”
Barrett: Facebook's famous 7-friends onboarding metric is likely bullshit
“Honestly I suspect Facebook's number is bullshit anyway.”
Barrett: Expensify outspends competitors on conferences by targeting brand loyalty
“Everyone else cares about the conferences for lead generation, and we don't, and so we can show up big, much bigger than anyone else, because the ROI of the lead's just not our goal. We're just viewing it, we're viewing the value of the conference very differe…”
Barrett: Expensify hosts an all-expenses-paid 100-person retreat in Bora Bora
“It's only a hundred people. It's invite only, and it's in Bora Bora, all expenses paid by us. And so it's basically, it's more like the Davos of accounting, if you will.”
Barrett: Uber, Atlassian, and most Silicon Valley unicorns use Expensify
“And that raises everything from like Uber, Yahoo Atlassian, a bunch of public companies like Evernotes, most of Silicon Valley, most of the unicorns or former unicorns all use Expensify.”
Barrett: Expensify maintains net negative revenue churn across all cohorts
“So then revenue churn is also complicated because we have negative revenue churn. Every customer, like every cohort pays us more today than they ever have.”
Barrett: 90% of Expensify revenue is paid by credit card
“90% of our revenue is on a credit card, which means that the only way we get paid is after you've already fully deployed your entire company.”
David Barrett says profitable Expensify is off the venture fundraising bandwagon
“Yeah, we're profitable. So we just, we don't, we're off that, that whole bandwagon.”
Barrett: Expensify drives growth via customer volume rather than upselling
“We think that the path to growth is not so much by increasing sort of how much you extract from each customer, but just getting more customers. And so I, I'm much more focused on just massive scale than I am on trying to like, you know, squeeze harder.”
Barrett: Great businesses originate from overlooked spaces
“I think like most great businesses, you sort of fall into something that everyone else has overlooked because if it weren't overlooked, it wouldn't be a great business. It would just be the thing that everyone else does.”
Barrett: Expensify launched the first mobile expense app
“We brought the very first mobile app to expense reports.”
Barrett: Expensify began as a Trojan horse to help homeless people
“And so I actually had no intention of building the expense reporting system. It was just my Trojan horse To let me build this card so I could give money to the homeless safely.”
Barrett: Expensify is growing just under 100% year-over-year
“So we're doing just under a hundred percent year on year still, which gets tough at the scale, but the nice thing is actually we've in this past year, we've actually made a bunch of product changes that have caused growth to sort of re-accelerate”
Barrett: Expensify has over 100% net revenue retention across all cohorts
“The important one is revenue retention and we're way over a hundred percent revenue retention. And so I'd say like every every year customers pay us more on aggregate than they did the year before. And so every cohort we've ever acquired pays us more today tha…”
Barrett: Expensify customer cohorts pay about 500% more after three years
“After three years, they pay us about 500% more.”
Barrett: Expensify's tech stack resembles consumer social more than Concur
“We've built in a tremendous technology stack. That's much more like Twitter or Facebook than it is like concur or something else.”
Barrett: Expensify does not use any paid marketing channels
“Nothing. We don't have any paid channels.”
Barrett: Expensify spends millions maximizing presence at every conference
“So it's like, yeah, we spend millions of dollars in conferences. Could we spend twice as much? There just aren't twice as many conferences to go to. We go to every conference. We go as big as we possibly can and that's it.”
Barrett: Expensify's core business breaks even while venture capital funds experiments
“So I would say the business itself is breakeven, but we are always raising and spending on big experiments.”
Barrett: About 10% of Expensify's 4.5M users are paying business users
“Yeah, it's about 10% of our 4.5 million is a paying business user.”
Barrett: Expensify's biggest early adoption barrier was being free
“Literally, initially, we didn't charge, or the number one barrier to adoption was that we didn't charge. Because, like, we would think back, you know, years, we'd raise money, we're just a couple of people, we don't spend money on anything, everything just gro…”
Barrett: 99% of Expensify Traffic Comes From Direct Brand Searches
“I would say like 99% of our traffic is people searching for us.”
Barrett: Expensify began as a fake product to win bank approval
“It was as a Trojan horse to get permission from the banks to launch an entirely different product. And then after we launched this product, everyone's like, yeah, your prepaid debit cards are cool and all, but your expense reports are amazing. And up until tha…”
Barrett: Expensify ARR remains under $100 million
“Yeah, we're still under a hundred. That's right.”
Barrett: Expensify has 42,000 paying business customers
“We have 42,000 customers, whatever, but that ranges everything from like fortune 500 on down.”