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Apr 12, 2016 · 20m · top-founders

From Apple to Raising $250k on Kickstarter For His New Hardware Company with Nils Mattison EP 230

Nils Mattisson · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In episode 230 of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews Nils Mattisson, former Apple engineer and co-founder of Minut, who details his journey creating a privacy-first smart home sensor, managing manufacturing economics, and raising early-stage capital.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 44.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 3.0 Guest disagreement 1.2 Nathan pushing back 2.4
05100:0010:0020:001:21–3:52 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Nils Mattisson's Apple Background and Leap into Entrepreneurship Nathan inquires into Nils's background prototyping for Apple's exploratory design group and his decision to return to Sweden due to visa restrictions. The tone is highly collaborative and curious.3:54–7:10 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Minut's Privacy-First Smart Home Sensor Architecture Nils details Minut's privacy-focused hardware sensor, teaching Nathan how acoustic signatures combine with air pressure sensors to detect break-ins without recording voice. Nathan challenges Nils's phrasing on throwing away audio data, prompting Nils to clarify the edge-processing memory buffer.7:10–11:19 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Kickstarter Validation, Unit Economics, and Initial Manufacturing Nathan presses Nils to disclose unit production costs after Nils hesitates, prompting Nils to share the 4x retail hardware rule of thumb. Nils also corrects Nathan's assumption about daily acquisition volume versus pre-order fulfillment rates.11:19–14:52 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Team Structure, Angel Backing, and Convertible Debt Financing Nathan demonstrates familiarity with Nils's angel investors, immediately citing Hampus Jakobsen's Blackberry acquisition from a past episode. Nils explains the macro logic behind using convertible debt instead of a priced equity round given market conditions.14:54–18:57 · Nathan as informed peer 2/10 Contact Information and HostGator Website Sponsorship The segment covers contact details, a HostGator sponsor break, and standard Famous Five questions where Nils reflects on Malmo's entrepreneurial community and reading Clayton Christensen.1:21–3:52 · Guest teaching 2/10 Nils Mattisson's Apple Background and Leap into Entrepreneurship Nathan inquires into Nils's background prototyping for Apple's exploratory design group and his decision to return to Sweden due to visa restrictions. The tone is highly collaborative and curious.3:54–7:10 · Guest teaching 5/10 Minut's Privacy-First Smart Home Sensor Architecture Nils details Minut's privacy-focused hardware sensor, teaching Nathan how acoustic signatures combine with air pressure sensors to detect break-ins without recording voice. Nathan challenges Nils's phrasing on throwing away audio data, prompting Nils to clarify the edge-processing memory buffer.7:10–11:19 · Guest teaching 4/10 Kickstarter Validation, Unit Economics, and Initial Manufacturing Nathan presses Nils to disclose unit production costs after Nils hesitates, prompting Nils to share the 4x retail hardware rule of thumb. Nils also corrects Nathan's assumption about daily acquisition volume versus pre-order fulfillment rates.11:19–14:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 Team Structure, Angel Backing, and Convertible Debt Financing Nathan demonstrates familiarity with Nils's angel investors, immediately citing Hampus Jakobsen's Blackberry acquisition from a past episode. Nils explains the macro logic behind using convertible debt instead of a priced equity round given market conditions.14:54–18:57 · Guest teaching 1/10 Contact Information and HostGator Website Sponsorship The segment covers contact details, a HostGator sponsor break, and standard Famous Five questions where Nils reflects on Malmo's entrepreneurial community and reading Clayton Christensen.1:21–3:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Nils Mattisson's Apple Background and Leap into Entrepreneurship Nathan inquires into Nils's background prototyping for Apple's exploratory design group and his decision to return to Sweden due to visa restrictions. The tone is highly collaborative and curious.3:54–7:10 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Minut's Privacy-First Smart Home Sensor Architecture Nils details Minut's privacy-focused hardware sensor, teaching Nathan how acoustic signatures combine with air pressure sensors to detect break-ins without recording voice. Nathan challenges Nils's phrasing on throwing away audio data, prompting Nils to clarify the edge-processing memory buffer.7:10–11:19 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Kickstarter Validation, Unit Economics, and Initial Manufacturing Nathan presses Nils to disclose unit production costs after Nils hesitates, prompting Nils to share the 4x retail hardware rule of thumb. Nils also corrects Nathan's assumption about daily acquisition volume versus pre-order fulfillment rates.11:19–14:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Team Structure, Angel Backing, and Convertible Debt Financing Nathan demonstrates familiarity with Nils's angel investors, immediately citing Hampus Jakobsen's Blackberry acquisition from a past episode. Nils explains the macro logic behind using convertible debt instead of a priced equity round given market conditions.14:54–18:57 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Contact Information and HostGator Website Sponsorship The segment covers contact details, a HostGator sponsor break, and standard Famous Five questions where Nils reflects on Malmo's entrepreneurial community and reading Clayton Christensen.1:21–3:52 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Nils Mattisson's Apple Background and Leap into Entrepreneurship Nathan inquires into Nils's background prototyping for Apple's exploratory design group and his decision to return to Sweden due to visa restrictions. The tone is highly collaborative and curious.3:54–7:10 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Minut's Privacy-First Smart Home Sensor Architecture Nils details Minut's privacy-focused hardware sensor, teaching Nathan how acoustic signatures combine with air pressure sensors to detect break-ins without recording voice. Nathan challenges Nils's phrasing on throwing away audio data, prompting Nils to clarify the edge-processing memory buffer.7:10–11:19 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Kickstarter Validation, Unit Economics, and Initial Manufacturing Nathan presses Nils to disclose unit production costs after Nils hesitates, prompting Nils to share the 4x retail hardware rule of thumb. Nils also corrects Nathan's assumption about daily acquisition volume versus pre-order fulfillment rates.11:19–14:52 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Team Structure, Angel Backing, and Convertible Debt Financing Nathan demonstrates familiarity with Nils's angel investors, immediately citing Hampus Jakobsen's Blackberry acquisition from a past episode. Nils explains the macro logic behind using convertible debt instead of a priced equity round given market conditions.14:54–18:57 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Contact Information and HostGator Website Sponsorship The segment covers contact details, a HostGator sponsor break, and standard Famous Five questions where Nils reflects on Malmo's entrepreneurial community and reading Clayton Christensen.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 65.8% · guest 34.2%0:00 · Nathan 65.8% · guest 34.2%3:00 · Nathan 27.9% · guest 72.1%3:00 · Nathan 27.9% · guest 72.1%6:00 · Nathan 17.4% · guest 82.6%6:00 · Nathan 17.4% · guest 82.6%9:00 · Nathan 36.9% · guest 63.1%9:00 · Nathan 36.9% · guest 63.1%12:00 · Nathan 40.2% · guest 59.8%12:00 · Nathan 40.2% · guest 59.8%15:00 · Nathan 64.1% · guest 35.9%15:00 · Nathan 64.1% · guest 35.9%18:00 · Nathan 66.3% · guest 33.7%18:00 · Nathan 66.3% · guest 33.7%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 6:42 Clarifying local buffering versus data storage

Nils firmly resists Nathan's insinuation that Minut collects and retains raw audio, explaining that the device merely processes an ephemeral edge buffer.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:01 Pressing for hardware unit economics

Nathan refuses to let Nils bypass production costs, explicitly explaining that his audience expects real figures and pushing Nils to offer a concrete margin multiple.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:44 Explaining combined acoustic and barometric sensor logic

Nils educates Nathan on sensor engineering by explaining that a breaking window produces a unique air pressure shift correlated with glass audio, distinguishing it from an ordinary dropped glass.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 11:51 Displaying investor network knowledge

Nathan shows strong domain recall by recognizing investor Hampus Jakobsen and reciting his $150M Blackberry sale from a previous podcast episode.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Nils Mattisson's Apple Background and Leap into Entrepreneurship 3211 Nathan inquires into Nils's background prototyping for Apple's exploratory design group and his decision to return to Sweden due to visa restrictions. The tone is highly collaborative and curious.
Minut's Privacy-First Smart Home Sensor Architecture 4524 Nils details Minut's privacy-focused hardware sensor, teaching Nathan how acoustic signatures combine with air pressure sensors to detect break-ins without recording voice. Nathan challenges Nils's phrasing on throwing away audio data, prompting Nils to clarify the edge-processing memory buffer.
Kickstarter Validation, Unit Economics, and Initial Manufacturing 5425 Nathan presses Nils to disclose unit production costs after Nils hesitates, prompting Nils to share the 4x retail hardware rule of thumb. Nils also corrects Nathan's assumption about daily acquisition volume versus pre-order fulfillment rates.
Team Structure, Angel Backing, and Convertible Debt Financing 6312 Nathan demonstrates familiarity with Nils's angel investors, immediately citing Hampus Jakobsen's Blackberry acquisition from a past episode. Nils explains the macro logic behind using convertible debt instead of a priced equity round given market conditions.
Contact Information and HostGator Website Sponsorship 2100 The segment covers contact details, a HostGator sponsor break, and standard Famous Five questions where Nils reflects on Malmo's entrepreneurial community and reading Clayton Christensen.

Statements from this episode (7)

Disclosure
Mattisson: Visa restrictions forced me to return to Sweden to launch Minut
“And unfortunately I wasn't able to stay in the U S with my visa. So I basically had to leave and I moved back and started the company here.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 3:29
Assertion Supported
Mattisson: Minut analyzes data on-device and transmits only metadata to the cloud
“Like, we make sure to make all the analysis on the device and only pass the metadata to the cloud so that there's no privacy issues.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 4:39
Insight
Mattisson: Correlating sound with air pressure changes reliably detects broken windows
“So if you just drop a water glass and it breaks, it might give off a similar kind of sound, but it won't change the air pressure, which a breaking window will. So when you have these things happening at the same time, you can be fairly certain that, that the w…”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 6:01
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mattisson: 7% of Minut Kickstarter video viewers bought the device
“About seven percent of the people who watched the video ended up purchasing the product.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 7:53
Insight
Mattisson: Consumer hardware target pricing is 4x manufacturing cost
“Typically in a consumer hardware product, you try to sell it for about four times what it costs to make it. And that's like a rule of thumb that we're following.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 9:19
Assertion Partly supported
Mattisson: Minut raised $300k from angels and $250k on Kickstarter
“We've raised about 300,000 dollars from angels, and then the quarter million from Kickstarter, and that's up until about now, we're taking about 200 K in another debt round.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 13:30
Opinion
Mattisson: The environment for angel and VC investing has worsened
“The general atmosphere for angel investing has become worse. And of course, VC is even more so like, I mean, they're trying to be really fast with following the market.”
Nils Mattisson Apr 12, 2016 ▶ 14:17
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