Nov 18, 2016 · 20m · top-founders

EP 482: Snip.ly $50k MRR, 1000 Customers For Lead Gen on Social Media Sharing with CEO Michael Cheng

Nathan Latka · 9m spoken Michael Cheng · 8m spoken
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In this podcast episode of 'The Top', host Nathan Latka interviews Michael Cheng, co-founder and CEO of Snip.ly, to break down how the bootstrapped SaaS company achieved $50,000 in monthly recurring revenue with 1,000 paying customers and a lean team of four. Cheng discusses Snip.ly's freemium model, zero-dollar customer acquisition cost, unit economics, and upcoming AI video innovation.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 53.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.5 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 0.7 Nathan pushing back 2.0
05100:0010:0020:002:04–4:25 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Snip.ly Core Functionality, Freemium SaaS Model, and Audience Profile Latka runs through standard SaaS onboarding questions regarding launch date, freemium tier thresholds, and target customer personas. Cheng collaboratively explains how Snip.ly operates and provides baseline metrics.4:25–8:31 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Analyzing Snip.ly's Custom 'Name Your Own Price' Strategy Latka inspects Snip.ly's pricing page live, asking whether a 'name your own price' option cheapens the perceived value for enterprise buyers. Cheng explains how the mechanism collects pricing data and serves as a negotiation starter rather than a blind discount.8:31–11:27 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Snip.ly Financial Metrics, Bootstrapping Philosophy, and Lean Team Structure Latka probes the disconnect between 13 listed team members and $50k monthly revenue, prompting Cheng to clarify that only four are full-time core members while the rest are remote contractors. Latka then enthusiastically validates Cheng's decision to bootstrap over taking VC money.11:27–13:53 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Unit Economics, Organic Content Marketing, and Acquisition Strategy Latka calculates customer lifetime value and churn dynamics in real time from Cheng's 5% monthly churn rate and organic acquisition model. Cheng explains their reliance on earned media and relationships with content marketers.13:54–17:30 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Mid-Roll Sponsor Segment: Drip Marketing Automation and HostGator Following host-read mid-roll advertisements, Latka questions Cheng on historical revenue figures and tests his willingness to sell out to an acquirer like HubSpot. Cheng emphasizes long-term product vision over an early cash-out.17:31–18:22 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Michael Cheng Latka conducts the standard rapid-fire Famous Five sequence, with Cheng answering directly about sleep, favorite books, and startup advice.2:04–4:25 · Guest teaching 2/10 Snip.ly Core Functionality, Freemium SaaS Model, and Audience Profile Latka runs through standard SaaS onboarding questions regarding launch date, freemium tier thresholds, and target customer personas. Cheng collaboratively explains how Snip.ly operates and provides baseline metrics.4:25–8:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Analyzing Snip.ly's Custom 'Name Your Own Price' Strategy Latka inspects Snip.ly's pricing page live, asking whether a 'name your own price' option cheapens the perceived value for enterprise buyers. Cheng explains how the mechanism collects pricing data and serves as a negotiation starter rather than a blind discount.8:31–11:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Snip.ly Financial Metrics, Bootstrapping Philosophy, and Lean Team Structure Latka probes the disconnect between 13 listed team members and $50k monthly revenue, prompting Cheng to clarify that only four are full-time core members while the rest are remote contractors. Latka then enthusiastically validates Cheng's decision to bootstrap over taking VC money.11:27–13:53 · Guest teaching 2/10 Unit Economics, Organic Content Marketing, and Acquisition Strategy Latka calculates customer lifetime value and churn dynamics in real time from Cheng's 5% monthly churn rate and organic acquisition model. Cheng explains their reliance on earned media and relationships with content marketers.13:54–17:30 · Guest teaching 2/10 Mid-Roll Sponsor Segment: Drip Marketing Automation and HostGator Following host-read mid-roll advertisements, Latka questions Cheng on historical revenue figures and tests his willingness to sell out to an acquirer like HubSpot. Cheng emphasizes long-term product vision over an early cash-out.17:31–18:22 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Michael Cheng Latka conducts the standard rapid-fire Famous Five sequence, with Cheng answering directly about sleep, favorite books, and startup advice.2:04–4:25 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Snip.ly Core Functionality, Freemium SaaS Model, and Audience Profile Latka runs through standard SaaS onboarding questions regarding launch date, freemium tier thresholds, and target customer personas. Cheng collaboratively explains how Snip.ly operates and provides baseline metrics.4:25–8:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Analyzing Snip.ly's Custom 'Name Your Own Price' Strategy Latka inspects Snip.ly's pricing page live, asking whether a 'name your own price' option cheapens the perceived value for enterprise buyers. Cheng explains how the mechanism collects pricing data and serves as a negotiation starter rather than a blind discount.8:31–11:27 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Snip.ly Financial Metrics, Bootstrapping Philosophy, and Lean Team Structure Latka probes the disconnect between 13 listed team members and $50k monthly revenue, prompting Cheng to clarify that only four are full-time core members while the rest are remote contractors. Latka then enthusiastically validates Cheng's decision to bootstrap over taking VC money.11:27–13:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Unit Economics, Organic Content Marketing, and Acquisition Strategy Latka calculates customer lifetime value and churn dynamics in real time from Cheng's 5% monthly churn rate and organic acquisition model. Cheng explains their reliance on earned media and relationships with content marketers.13:54–17:30 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mid-Roll Sponsor Segment: Drip Marketing Automation and HostGator Following host-read mid-roll advertisements, Latka questions Cheng on historical revenue figures and tests his willingness to sell out to an acquirer like HubSpot. Cheng emphasizes long-term product vision over an early cash-out.17:31–18:22 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Michael Cheng Latka conducts the standard rapid-fire Famous Five sequence, with Cheng answering directly about sleep, favorite books, and startup advice.2:04–4:25 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Snip.ly Core Functionality, Freemium SaaS Model, and Audience Profile Latka runs through standard SaaS onboarding questions regarding launch date, freemium tier thresholds, and target customer personas. Cheng collaboratively explains how Snip.ly operates and provides baseline metrics.4:25–8:31 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Analyzing Snip.ly's Custom 'Name Your Own Price' Strategy Latka inspects Snip.ly's pricing page live, asking whether a 'name your own price' option cheapens the perceived value for enterprise buyers. Cheng explains how the mechanism collects pricing data and serves as a negotiation starter rather than a blind discount.8:31–11:27 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Snip.ly Financial Metrics, Bootstrapping Philosophy, and Lean Team Structure Latka probes the disconnect between 13 listed team members and $50k monthly revenue, prompting Cheng to clarify that only four are full-time core members while the rest are remote contractors. Latka then enthusiastically validates Cheng's decision to bootstrap over taking VC money.11:27–13:53 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Unit Economics, Organic Content Marketing, and Acquisition Strategy Latka calculates customer lifetime value and churn dynamics in real time from Cheng's 5% monthly churn rate and organic acquisition model. Cheng explains their reliance on earned media and relationships with content marketers.13:54–17:30 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Mid-Roll Sponsor Segment: Drip Marketing Automation and HostGator Following host-read mid-roll advertisements, Latka questions Cheng on historical revenue figures and tests his willingness to sell out to an acquirer like HubSpot. Cheng emphasizes long-term product vision over an early cash-out.17:31–18:22 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Michael Cheng Latka conducts the standard rapid-fire Famous Five sequence, with Cheng answering directly about sleep, favorite books, and startup advice.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 76.2% · guest 23.8%0:00 · Nathan 76.2% · guest 23.8%3:00 · Nathan 24.4% · guest 75.6%3:00 · Nathan 24.4% · guest 75.6%6:00 · Nathan 39.9% · guest 60.1%6:00 · Nathan 39.9% · guest 60.1%9:00 · Nathan 33.7% · guest 66.3%9:00 · Nathan 33.7% · guest 66.3%12:00 · Nathan 63.9% · guest 36.1%12:00 · Nathan 63.9% · guest 36.1%15:00 · Nathan 61.9% · guest 38.1%15:00 · Nathan 61.9% · guest 38.1%18:00 · Nathan 91.8% · guest 8.2%18:00 · Nathan 91.8% · guest 8.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:47 Reframing 'name your price' as structured negotiation

Cheng gently rejects the idea that consumers or businesses abuse flexible pricing, clarifying that B2B users are respectful and submissions function as negotiated requests.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:32 Questioning team size economics

Latka directly confronts Cheng on how a $50k MRR business can afford a 13-person team listed on their website, forcing Cheng to clarify their true core headcount.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:53 Explaining enterprise tier anchoring

Cheng educates Latka on how having dedicated enterprise pricing tiers anchors perception and prevents high-value prospects from viewing custom pricing as cheap.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 12:56 Instant mental SaaS math on lifetime value

Latka demonstrates sharp domain expertise by immediately applying the 1/churn formula to derive average customer lifespan and projected lifetime value.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Snip.ly Core Functionality, Freemium SaaS Model, and Audience Profile 5201 Latka runs through standard SaaS onboarding questions regarding launch date, freemium tier thresholds, and target customer personas. Cheng collaboratively explains how Snip.ly operates and provides baseline metrics.
Analyzing Snip.ly's Custom 'Name Your Own Price' Strategy 7313 Latka inspects Snip.ly's pricing page live, asking whether a 'name your own price' option cheapens the perceived value for enterprise buyers. Cheng explains how the mechanism collects pricing data and serves as a negotiation starter rather than a blind discount.
Snip.ly Financial Metrics, Bootstrapping Philosophy, and Lean Team Structure 6314 Latka probes the disconnect between 13 listed team members and $50k monthly revenue, prompting Cheng to clarify that only four are full-time core members while the rest are remote contractors. Latka then enthusiastically validates Cheng's decision to bootstrap over taking VC money.
Unit Economics, Organic Content Marketing, and Acquisition Strategy 7212 Latka calculates customer lifetime value and churn dynamics in real time from Cheng's 5% monthly churn rate and organic acquisition model. Cheng explains their reliance on earned media and relationships with content marketers.
Mid-Roll Sponsor Segment: Drip Marketing Automation and HostGator 5212 Following host-read mid-roll advertisements, Latka questions Cheng on historical revenue figures and tests his willingness to sell out to an acquirer like HubSpot. Cheng emphasizes long-term product vision over an early cash-out.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions with Michael Cheng 3100 Latka conducts the standard rapid-fire Famous Five sequence, with Cheng answering directly about sleep, favorite books, and startup advice.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Partly supported
Snip.ly offers a free tier and paid plans up to $3,000 monthly
“Revenue is for monthly subscriptions. And so it's a freemium model. You can use Snipply for free. It supports up to 1000 clicks per month. So after 1000 people have clicked on your links in that given month, your call to action will cease to show up until the …”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 2:59
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cheng says Snip.ly ARPU is $70 to $80 per month
“I would say that's about 70 to 80.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 3:29
Insight
Cheng: B2B buyers submit reasonable offers under 'name your price' models
“What I find is that while that may be true, if you're running a consumer model but with businesses, you know, businesses have a budget. They have great respect For other tools and platforms and the price requests that come through are very, very reasonable.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 6:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Snip.ly hits 130,000 users and $50,000 in monthly recurring revenue
“Right now we are hitting about a 130,000 registered users. And so we're looking at revenue about 600,000 annual. So that's about 50,000 a month US dollars.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 8:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Snip.ly has 1,000 monthly paying customers as of late 2016
“Monthly paying customers, It sits at around a thousand.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 9:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cheng grew Snip.ly with zero dollars spent on paid customer acquisition
“We've never invested in a customer acquisition costs outside of my own time. And so we don't do ads or anything like that. We don't pay for any customer acquisition.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 11:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Snip.ly LTV is $700 per paying customer and $5 per free user
“Based on the numbers that we do have, and LTV based on two and a half years, so it's not like the cohort's super long, but it's about 700 dollars per customer, and about five dollars per free user.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 13:30
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Snip.ly generated $400,000 in revenue in 2015
“Total of 20 15 revenue was around 400 K.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 16:06
Disclosure
Snip.ly is building an AI tool to turn blogs into videos
“Now we're investing very heavily in a new platform. That's going to automatically convert blog posts into videos using natural language processing and a bunch of artificial intelligence.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 16:34
Disclosure
Snip.ly equity is split evenly across its three co-founders
“33% with my two other co-founders.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 17:18
Disclosure
Cheng uses Google Translate for Snip.ly's multilingual customer support
“I actually really love Google translate. I've, I provide support in multiple languages.”
Michael Cheng Nov 18, 2016 ▶ 17:56
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