May 9, 2017 · 22m · top-founders
654: $100k at Age 19, Now $1.2 Million From 16 Best Selling Books and New Smart Business App, Brin with CEO Dale Beaumont
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Serial entrepreneur Dale Beaumont shares how he scaled a $5 million training company, generated $1.5 million from 16 bestselling books using bulk pre-orders, and launched Brin.ai, a free AI business advisory app.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 39.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Nathan as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.2 Nathan pushing back 3.6
speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:58 Defending physical book sales over Amazon gaming
Dale lightly mocks modern digital book rankings by noting his books sold in physical bookshops before Amazon gaming existed.
Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:25 Demanding named verification of book buyersNathan interrupts Dale to insist on naming an exact customer who committed to buying 1,000 copies to ensure the claim is genuine.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 2:36 Explaining Australian bestseller metricDale corrects the premise of international lists by providing the specific Australian industry threshold of 5,000 physical copies sold.
Nathan holds their own ▶ 15:29 Highlighting info-product app graveyard risksNathan demonstrates product expertise by explaining why most marketer-led mobile apps struggle with recurring utility and active usage.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Nathan as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Nathan pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Introducing Dale Beaumont and Australian Bestseller Standards | 4 | 5 | 2 | 4 | Nathan challenges the validity of Dale's 16 bestselling books claim, calling Amazon bestsellers easy to game. Dale educates Nathan on publishing history and clarifies the formal standard for bestsellers in Australian physical bookshops. | |
| Scaling the 'Secrets Exposed' Publishing Series | 4 | 3 | 2 | 5 | Nathan presses Dale for exact unit economics and demands specific proof and names of individuals who pre-purchased a thousand copies to be featured. Dale readily provides details and names well-known Australian figures. | |
| Founding Business Blueprint and Scaling Educational Programs | 4 | 2 | 1 | 4 | Dale discusses transitioning from his coaching company into launching Brin.ai. Nathan challenges the fundamental value proposition by asking why users wouldn't simply search Google instead. | |
| Analyzing App Downloads, User Retention, and Utility | 6 | 1 | 1 | 5 | Nathan drills into app retention and cohort data, pointing out that marketer-led apps frequently suffer from low ongoing utility and end up in the app graveyard. Dale shares total session numbers and enterprise sponsorship monetization plans. | |
| Mid-Roll Sponsor Break: Klipfolio and HostGator | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Segment consists of sponsor mid-rolls for Klipfolio and HostGator followed by standard, friendly Famous Five rapid-fire questions. |
Statements from this episode (11)
Beaumont: Published 16 Australian bestsellers and sold 250,000 copies
“And then I've published another yeah, probably 16 in total and sold a quarter of a million copies. So yeah, all of the books that I published hit the best bestseller list within Australia”
Beaumont: Australian bestseller status requires only 5,000 physical book sales
“So a bestseller in Australia is selling 5000 books in physical bookshops. So that's the kind of technical definition of a bestseller in Australia.”
Beaumont: Writing a book manufactures business credibility without decades of experience
“Or secondly, you can manufacture credibility. And one of the ways to do that is through writing a book.”
Beaumont: Self-published book series generated $1.5 million from 250,000 copies
“And yeah, to sell, sell you know, that, that amount of books 250,000 all self-published was good. And if you want to know the revenues, we did about 1.5 million dollars in terms of book sales within the two and a half years.”
Beaumont: Printing 5,000+ books drops unit costs below $2 per copy
“If you're doing like a hundred, they might be like 10 dollars a piece, but if you're doing more than 5000, they end up being less than two dollars per book.”
Beaumont: Required featured entrepreneurs to buy 1,000 book copies to participate
“What I then did is I raised the bar and I said, well, if you want to be in my next book, then you have to commit to purchasing a thousand copies. And I was able to fill up, you know, my next 11 books that way by having people actually commit to purchasing a ce…”
Beaumont: Business Blueprint generates over $5 million in annual revenue
“Now it's a business that does More than five million dollars a year in revenue, and it's a really fantastic business.”
Beaumont: Business Blueprint charges $8,000 to $12,000 for 12-month program
“It's a, yeah, a program that people invest between eight to 12,000 dollars for a 12 month program with us in order to help them to Transform their business and implement new technology.”
Beaumont: Less than 1% of small business owners have an advisor
“And I also done did some research and found out that less than one percent of people have a business coach or business advisor.”
Beaumont: Brin.ai reached 21,000 downloads and 4,500 weekly active users
“So we've had 21,000 downloads within the past six months. So it's off to a good start and we have around four and a half thousand people using it now every week.”
Latka: Info product apps struggle with retention rather than downloads
“The issue is not driving downloads because usually they're built by very smart marketers like yourself. The issue is utility in that most apps you download, you don't open. I mean, I may be on my phone open maybe five apps on a daily basis and everything else …”