May 15, 2017 · 21m · top-founders

660: Will Farmers Decide First Drone Company Trillionaire?

Martin Garcia · 10m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews Flix Systems founder Martin Garcia to explore how the startup builds autonomous industrial drones, develops proprietary landing stations, and scales a capital-efficient precision agriculture service in Mexico.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 42.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 2.9 Guest disagreement 1.6 Nathan pushing back 3.3
05100:0010:0020:000:27–4:13 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Previewing Dashboard Analytics and Website Conversion Strategy After an opening monologue about analytics dashboards, Latka introduces Garcia and asks how Flix Systems generates revenue. Garcia educates the host on the three historical waves of UAV technology and the technical reasons why industrial autonomy is the future.4:13–6:18 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Hardware and Software Strategy for Autonomous Industrial Drones Latka pushes Garcia to clarify whether the company is building physical hardware or software algorithms, and intervenes when Garcia brings up a solar venture to confirm it is a client rather than a confusing pivot.6:18–9:35 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Capital Raised, Team Structure, and Proprietary Autonomous Landing Platform Latka drills into standard startup metrics including capital raised, team size, and founding origins. Garcia details their proprietary automated landing platform and academic research background collaboratively.9:36–13:53 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Strategic and Cost Advantages of Building in Mexico This is the most combative segment of the interview. Latka aggressively challenges Garcia on how an early-stage startup can compete with DJI's 1,500 developers and questions why they do not focus purely on software like App Store developers; Garcia pushes back using engineering principles around payload customization.13:53–16:35 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Precision Agriculture Launch, Pricing Model, and Contract Economics Latka presses Garcia on contract economics and go-to-market timing. When Garcia momentarily stumbles over currency conversions, Latka patiently guides the math, calculating a $6,000 initial pilot size.16:37–18:43 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 The Famous Five Questions with Martin Garcia Latka runs through his standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, quickly clarifying Garcia's answers and age before summarizing the business model in his wrap-up.18:44–19:31 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Previous Episode Highlight and iTunes Review Call-to-Action Pure host monologue recapping the previous episode and pitching an iTunes review incentive along with a web hosting sponsorship.0:27–4:13 · Guest teaching 5/10 Previewing Dashboard Analytics and Website Conversion Strategy After an opening monologue about analytics dashboards, Latka introduces Garcia and asks how Flix Systems generates revenue. Garcia educates the host on the three historical waves of UAV technology and the technical reasons why industrial autonomy is the future.4:13–6:18 · Guest teaching 3/10 Hardware and Software Strategy for Autonomous Industrial Drones Latka pushes Garcia to clarify whether the company is building physical hardware or software algorithms, and intervenes when Garcia brings up a solar venture to confirm it is a client rather than a confusing pivot.6:18–9:35 · Guest teaching 3/10 Capital Raised, Team Structure, and Proprietary Autonomous Landing Platform Latka drills into standard startup metrics including capital raised, team size, and founding origins. Garcia details their proprietary automated landing platform and academic research background collaboratively.9:36–13:53 · Guest teaching 6/10 Strategic and Cost Advantages of Building in Mexico This is the most combative segment of the interview. Latka aggressively challenges Garcia on how an early-stage startup can compete with DJI's 1,500 developers and questions why they do not focus purely on software like App Store developers; Garcia pushes back using engineering principles around payload customization.13:53–16:35 · Guest teaching 2/10 Precision Agriculture Launch, Pricing Model, and Contract Economics Latka presses Garcia on contract economics and go-to-market timing. When Garcia momentarily stumbles over currency conversions, Latka patiently guides the math, calculating a $6,000 initial pilot size.16:37–18:43 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five Questions with Martin Garcia Latka runs through his standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, quickly clarifying Garcia's answers and age before summarizing the business model in his wrap-up.18:44–19:31 · Guest teaching 0/10 Previous Episode Highlight and iTunes Review Call-to-Action Pure host monologue recapping the previous episode and pitching an iTunes review incentive along with a web hosting sponsorship.0:27–4:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Previewing Dashboard Analytics and Website Conversion Strategy After an opening monologue about analytics dashboards, Latka introduces Garcia and asks how Flix Systems generates revenue. Garcia educates the host on the three historical waves of UAV technology and the technical reasons why industrial autonomy is the future.4:13–6:18 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Hardware and Software Strategy for Autonomous Industrial Drones Latka pushes Garcia to clarify whether the company is building physical hardware or software algorithms, and intervenes when Garcia brings up a solar venture to confirm it is a client rather than a confusing pivot.6:18–9:35 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Capital Raised, Team Structure, and Proprietary Autonomous Landing Platform Latka drills into standard startup metrics including capital raised, team size, and founding origins. Garcia details their proprietary automated landing platform and academic research background collaboratively.9:36–13:53 · Guest disagreement 5/10 Strategic and Cost Advantages of Building in Mexico This is the most combative segment of the interview. Latka aggressively challenges Garcia on how an early-stage startup can compete with DJI's 1,500 developers and questions why they do not focus purely on software like App Store developers; Garcia pushes back using engineering principles around payload customization.13:53–16:35 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Precision Agriculture Launch, Pricing Model, and Contract Economics Latka presses Garcia on contract economics and go-to-market timing. When Garcia momentarily stumbles over currency conversions, Latka patiently guides the math, calculating a $6,000 initial pilot size.16:37–18:43 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Questions with Martin Garcia Latka runs through his standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, quickly clarifying Garcia's answers and age before summarizing the business model in his wrap-up.18:44–19:31 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Previous Episode Highlight and iTunes Review Call-to-Action Pure host monologue recapping the previous episode and pitching an iTunes review incentive along with a web hosting sponsorship.0:27–4:13 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Previewing Dashboard Analytics and Website Conversion Strategy After an opening monologue about analytics dashboards, Latka introduces Garcia and asks how Flix Systems generates revenue. Garcia educates the host on the three historical waves of UAV technology and the technical reasons why industrial autonomy is the future.4:13–6:18 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Hardware and Software Strategy for Autonomous Industrial Drones Latka pushes Garcia to clarify whether the company is building physical hardware or software algorithms, and intervenes when Garcia brings up a solar venture to confirm it is a client rather than a confusing pivot.6:18–9:35 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Capital Raised, Team Structure, and Proprietary Autonomous Landing Platform Latka drills into standard startup metrics including capital raised, team size, and founding origins. Garcia details their proprietary automated landing platform and academic research background collaboratively.9:36–13:53 · Nathan pushing back 8/10 Strategic and Cost Advantages of Building in Mexico This is the most combative segment of the interview. Latka aggressively challenges Garcia on how an early-stage startup can compete with DJI's 1,500 developers and questions why they do not focus purely on software like App Store developers; Garcia pushes back using engineering principles around payload customization.13:53–16:35 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Precision Agriculture Launch, Pricing Model, and Contract Economics Latka presses Garcia on contract economics and go-to-market timing. When Garcia momentarily stumbles over currency conversions, Latka patiently guides the math, calculating a $6,000 initial pilot size.16:37–18:43 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Famous Five Questions with Martin Garcia Latka runs through his standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, quickly clarifying Garcia's answers and age before summarizing the business model in his wrap-up.18:44–19:31 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Previous Episode Highlight and iTunes Review Call-to-Action Pure host monologue recapping the previous episode and pitching an iTunes review incentive along with a web hosting sponsorship.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 72.7% · guest 27.3%0:00 · Nathan 72.7% · guest 27.3%3:00 · Nathan 12.6% · guest 87.4%3:00 · Nathan 12.6% · guest 87.4%6:00 · Nathan 17.3% · guest 82.7%6:00 · Nathan 17.3% · guest 82.7%9:00 · Nathan 19% · guest 81%9:00 · Nathan 19% · guest 81%12:00 · Nathan 23.5% · guest 76.5%12:00 · Nathan 23.5% · guest 76.5%15:00 · Nathan 71.8% · guest 28.2%15:00 · Nathan 71.8% · guest 28.2%18:00 · Nathan 97% · guest 3%18:00 · Nathan 97% · guest 3%21:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 0%21:00 · Nathan 0% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:09 Garcia rejects software-only comparison to iPhones

Garcia directly refutes Latka's smartphone app comparison, arguing that industrial drones require ground-up hardware engineering centered around specialized sensor payloads rather than off-the-shelf units.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 11:22 Latka challenges Garcia on competing with DJI

Latka aggressively dismisses Garcia's optimistic outlook regarding DJI, questioning why DJI could not simply deploy local sales teams to wipe out local competition.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 2:26 Garcia breaks down industrial drone autonomy vs consumer models

Garcia provides an educational breakdown of UAV history, pointing out that 70 percent of crashes are human error and explaining why autonomous landing platforms are essential.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 12:56 Latka challenges hardware strategy using platform economics

Latka leverages his SaaS and platform business expertise to question why Garcia would take on massive hardware manufacturing overhead instead of building high-margin software on top of existing platforms.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Previewing Dashboard Analytics and Website Conversion Strategy 4512 After an opening monologue about analytics dashboards, Latka introduces Garcia and asks how Flix Systems generates revenue. Garcia educates the host on the three historical waves of UAV technology and the technical reasons why industrial autonomy is the future.
Hardware and Software Strategy for Autonomous Industrial Drones 5325 Latka pushes Garcia to clarify whether the company is building physical hardware or software algorithms, and intervenes when Garcia brings up a solar venture to confirm it is a client rather than a confusing pivot.
Capital Raised, Team Structure, and Proprietary Autonomous Landing Platform 4312 Latka drills into standard startup metrics including capital raised, team size, and founding origins. Garcia details their proprietary automated landing platform and academic research background collaboratively.
Strategic and Cost Advantages of Building in Mexico 8658 This is the most combative segment of the interview. Latka aggressively challenges Garcia on how an early-stage startup can compete with DJI's 1,500 developers and questions why they do not focus purely on software like App Store developers; Garcia pushes back using engineering principles around payload customization.
Precision Agriculture Launch, Pricing Model, and Contract Economics 6214 Latka presses Garcia on contract economics and go-to-market timing. When Garcia momentarily stumbles over currency conversions, Latka patiently guides the math, calculating a $6,000 initial pilot size.
The Famous Five Questions with Martin Garcia 4112 Latka runs through his standard Famous Five rapid-fire questions, quickly clarifying Garcia's answers and age before summarizing the business model in his wrap-up.
Previous Episode Highlight and iTunes Review Call-to-Action 0000 Pure host monologue recapping the previous episode and pitching an iTunes review incentive along with a web hosting sponsorship.

Statements from this episode (9)

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Garcia: Autonomous industrial drones will be the largest market wave
“Now the third wave, which is the one that is coming very soon, and it's already starting at some companies and places, is what I call the industrial UAVs, and those UAVs are going to be probably, in my opinion, the biggest wave in terms of business and penetra…”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 3:10
Assertion Contradicted
Garcia: 70% of drone crashes are caused by human error
“Approximately 70% of all UAV crashes are due to human error and not the UAV itself.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 3:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Garcia: DJI drones are built for photography, limiting industrial modifications
“For example, this company called DJI, they have amazing UAVs. Most of them are for photography, but they don't, they cannot be expanded or modified that easily unless you, Make some special attachments and stuff like that”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 4:32
Disclosure
Garcia: Flix Systems raised $100K for automated UAVs and platforms
“We have raised so far about two million pesos, which is approximately 100,000 dollars, and we're building with that the prototypes for the automated UAVs, and something very special, which is the landing platform.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 6:31
Assertion Supported
Garcia: Mexico's relaxed drone regulations offer an operational advantage
“One of them is that the regulations for flying UAVs in Mexico are not that harsh, not that strict as in the United States, for example. That doesn't mean that I can do whatever I want, but I can do some other things that usually are very, very strictly prohibi…”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 9:50
Assertion Supported
Garcia: Drone market leader DJI already employs 1,500 developers
“Absolutely, and I know they are, and they already have 1500 developers.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 11:27
Insight
Garcia: Commercial drones must be engineered around their specific payload
“Usually, people think that they buy drones, and then they think of the payload, but it's usually the other way around. Whatever you want to do, you have to think of what the payload is, and then you build the drone around that.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 13:22
Disclosure
Garcia: Flix Systems retains hardware control by selling services
“No, it's paid, but it's only for the service. The drone itself, we're not intending to sell it yet because we want to optimize it and we also want to keep control of the flight.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 14:14
Disclosure
Garcia: Flix Systems charges $15 to $20 per hectare for drone mapping
“15 to 20, but it depends on what kind of interpretation of information we want to take from there. If it's just only mapping, then that's one just like that. But if we want to add more stuff, then it will.”
Martin Garcia May 15, 2017 ▶ 15:04
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