Jul 14, 2017 · 22m · top-founders

720: How Wealthy People Put On a Conference

Steve Olsher · 12m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews serial entrepreneur Steve Olsher to analyze the monetization metrics of Liquor.com and dissect the financial blueprint behind launching profitable live business conferences.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 39.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.2 Guest teaching 2.7 Guest disagreement 2.0 Nathan pushing back 3.5
05100:0010:0020:001:09–5:03 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Liquor.com Metrics, Monetization, and M&A Strategy Latka drills Olsher on Liquor.com's financials, questioning the relationship between monthly impressions, gross ad revenue, and net profit. Olsher clarifies the distinction between top-line revenue and bottom-line profit reinvested into the business.5:03–11:43 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Origins in Live Events and a Personal Meeting Story Latka challenges Olsher on why he would take on the financial risk of live events before diving into ticket sale counts. Olsher shares his event history and explains how speakers are brought on without speaker fees.11:43–16:21 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Stage Economics, Paid Speaking, and Platform Selling Latka breaks down stage-selling economics and acts out a stereotypical high-pressure pitch from the stage. Olsher pushes back on the characterization, clarifying that his approach is value-driven rather than 'snake oil salesy.'16:21–19:33 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Conference P&L, Venue Overheads, and Backend Monetization Latka digs into the hard costs of the venue ($100k-$150k) and calls out entrepreneurs who claim not to care about profit. Olsher agrees and lays out his backend monetization model to ensure profitability before doors open.19:33–21:44 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to ask about Olsher's sleep habits and cannabis use before stage appearances.21:44–22:41 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Episode Summary and Next Episode Preview A host monologue summarizing the episode highlights and previewing the next scheduled interview.1:09–5:03 · Guest teaching 4/10 Liquor.com Metrics, Monetization, and M&A Strategy Latka drills Olsher on Liquor.com's financials, questioning the relationship between monthly impressions, gross ad revenue, and net profit. Olsher clarifies the distinction between top-line revenue and bottom-line profit reinvested into the business.5:03–11:43 · Guest teaching 3/10 Origins in Live Events and a Personal Meeting Story Latka challenges Olsher on why he would take on the financial risk of live events before diving into ticket sale counts. Olsher shares his event history and explains how speakers are brought on without speaker fees.11:43–16:21 · Guest teaching 4/10 Stage Economics, Paid Speaking, and Platform Selling Latka breaks down stage-selling economics and acts out a stereotypical high-pressure pitch from the stage. Olsher pushes back on the characterization, clarifying that his approach is value-driven rather than 'snake oil salesy.'16:21–19:33 · Guest teaching 3/10 Conference P&L, Venue Overheads, and Backend Monetization Latka digs into the hard costs of the venue ($100k-$150k) and calls out entrepreneurs who claim not to care about profit. Olsher agrees and lays out his backend monetization model to ensure profitability before doors open.19:33–21:44 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to ask about Olsher's sleep habits and cannabis use before stage appearances.21:44–22:41 · Guest teaching 0/10 Episode Summary and Next Episode Preview A host monologue summarizing the episode highlights and previewing the next scheduled interview.1:09–5:03 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Liquor.com Metrics, Monetization, and M&A Strategy Latka drills Olsher on Liquor.com's financials, questioning the relationship between monthly impressions, gross ad revenue, and net profit. Olsher clarifies the distinction between top-line revenue and bottom-line profit reinvested into the business.5:03–11:43 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Origins in Live Events and a Personal Meeting Story Latka challenges Olsher on why he would take on the financial risk of live events before diving into ticket sale counts. Olsher shares his event history and explains how speakers are brought on without speaker fees.11:43–16:21 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Stage Economics, Paid Speaking, and Platform Selling Latka breaks down stage-selling economics and acts out a stereotypical high-pressure pitch from the stage. Olsher pushes back on the characterization, clarifying that his approach is value-driven rather than 'snake oil salesy.'16:21–19:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Conference P&L, Venue Overheads, and Backend Monetization Latka digs into the hard costs of the venue ($100k-$150k) and calls out entrepreneurs who claim not to care about profit. Olsher agrees and lays out his backend monetization model to ensure profitability before doors open.19:33–21:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to ask about Olsher's sleep habits and cannabis use before stage appearances.21:44–22:41 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Episode Summary and Next Episode Preview A host monologue summarizing the episode highlights and previewing the next scheduled interview.1:09–5:03 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Liquor.com Metrics, Monetization, and M&A Strategy Latka drills Olsher on Liquor.com's financials, questioning the relationship between monthly impressions, gross ad revenue, and net profit. Olsher clarifies the distinction between top-line revenue and bottom-line profit reinvested into the business.5:03–11:43 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Origins in Live Events and a Personal Meeting Story Latka challenges Olsher on why he would take on the financial risk of live events before diving into ticket sale counts. Olsher shares his event history and explains how speakers are brought on without speaker fees.11:43–16:21 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Stage Economics, Paid Speaking, and Platform Selling Latka breaks down stage-selling economics and acts out a stereotypical high-pressure pitch from the stage. Olsher pushes back on the characterization, clarifying that his approach is value-driven rather than 'snake oil salesy.'16:21–19:33 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Conference P&L, Venue Overheads, and Backend Monetization Latka digs into the hard costs of the venue ($100k-$150k) and calls out entrepreneurs who claim not to care about profit. Olsher agrees and lays out his backend monetization model to ensure profitability before doors open.19:33–21:44 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Latka runs through the standard rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to ask about Olsher's sleep habits and cannabis use before stage appearances.21:44–22:41 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Episode Summary and Next Episode Preview A host monologue summarizing the episode highlights and previewing the next scheduled interview.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 65.1% · guest 34.9%0:00 · Nathan 65.1% · guest 34.9%3:00 · Nathan 41.7% · guest 58.3%3:00 · Nathan 41.7% · guest 58.3%6:00 · Nathan 17.1% · guest 82.9%6:00 · Nathan 17.1% · guest 82.9%9:00 · Nathan 24.4% · guest 75.6%9:00 · Nathan 24.4% · guest 75.6%12:00 · Nathan 23.2% · guest 76.8%12:00 · Nathan 23.2% · guest 76.8%15:00 · Nathan 29.6% · guest 70.4%15:00 · Nathan 29.6% · guest 70.4%18:00 · Nathan 60.3% · guest 39.7%18:00 · Nathan 60.3% · guest 39.7%21:00 · Nathan 71.2% · guest 28.8%21:00 · Nathan 71.2% · guest 28.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 16:10 Olsher rejects 'snake oil' characterization

Olsher directly counters Latka's theatrical description of stage selling, calling it out as overly aggressive and inaccurate regarding his own method.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 15:50 Latka challenges backend selling tactics

Latka dramatizes the artificial urgency and back-of-the-room rush tactics often used by platform speakers to test Olsher's actual sales model.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:43 Olsher explains stage time buying economics

Olsher lays out the exact pricing and ROI formula for buying speaking slots at $100 per attendee head to monetize products on the backend.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 11:43 Latka deconstructs event pricing strategy

Latka demonstrates his deep knowledge of conference mechanics by accurately breaking down how dual pricing and internal customer upselling prevent half-empty rooms.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Liquor.com Metrics, Monetization, and M&A Strategy 6435 Latka drills Olsher on Liquor.com's financials, questioning the relationship between monthly impressions, gross ad revenue, and net profit. Olsher clarifies the distinction between top-line revenue and bottom-line profit reinvested into the business.
Origins in Live Events and a Personal Meeting Story 5324 Latka challenges Olsher on why he would take on the financial risk of live events before diving into ticket sale counts. Olsher shares his event history and explains how speakers are brought on without speaker fees.
Stage Economics, Paid Speaking, and Platform Selling 6446 Latka breaks down stage-selling economics and acts out a stereotypical high-pressure pitch from the stage. Olsher pushes back on the characterization, clarifying that his approach is value-driven rather than 'snake oil salesy.'
Conference P&L, Venue Overheads, and Backend Monetization 5324 Latka digs into the hard costs of the venue ($100k-$150k) and calls out entrepreneurs who claim not to care about profit. Olsher agrees and lays out his backend monetization model to ensure profitability before doors open.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 3212 Latka runs through the standard rapid-fire questions, pausing briefly to ask about Olsher's sleep habits and cannabis use before stage appearances.
Episode Summary and Next Episode Preview 0000 A host monologue summarizing the episode highlights and previewing the next scheduled interview.

Statements from this episode (9)

Disclosure
Olsher: Liquor.com hired an investment bank to solicit acquisition offers
“We ended up bringing in an investment banking group to help us try to solicit offers and we're still actually in that process right now.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 1:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Olsher: Liquor.com generates about 3 million monthly impressions
“We're about three million or so monthly impressions right now for the site.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 2:21
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Olsher: Liquor.com has nearly 2 million database subscribers
“We've got almost two million subscribers on the database.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 3:51
Disclosure
New Media Summit pays no speaker fees, only covers travel expenses
“Correct. We will take care of the hotel. We'll take care of their meals. We'll take good care of them while they're there.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 9:47
Disclosure
New Media Summit early bird tickets cost $4,997 with 42 sold
“It's 4997 dollars to come to this event, meet with the icons, leave with bookings in hand again, take care of all your PR really, if you will in one fell swoop. And so at this point we just started marketing. We sold our first two super early bird tickets righ…”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 10:58
Disclosure
Olsher buys stage time at conferences as a core revenue driver
“Part of my revenue model is actually by stage time. So if you have an event and you know that people are going to, you know, be there and be interested potentially in my products, programs, or services, talk to me. I will buy stage time.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 12:27
Insight
Olsher: Organizers can charge speakers $100 per attendee for stage time
“A hundred bucks a head is a pretty safe bet. So, I mean, if you've got a 300 person event, you could easily be charging somebody 30 grand to speak on that stage.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 12:50
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Olsher: New Media Summit costs $150K all-in to produce
“Well, all in, it'll be a hundred grand for the venue, no doubt. And then when you take into consideration the AV and the event management and everything else that goes into it, the marketing and so on you're probably looking, I mean, for most events of this na…”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 16:37
Disclosure
Olsher: New Media Summit covers costs upfront and profits on backend
“Strategy. Number one is to have everything covered by the time the door is open to the event. Number two then is there will be products, programs, services, coaching, those sorts of things that will be offered at the event.”
Steve Olsher Jul 14, 2017 ▶ 17:30
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