Sep 11, 2017 · 24m · top-founders

779: Foursquare CEO on Transition From Consumer Social Network to B2B Enterprise Data Company

Jeff Glueck · 14m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In this episode of 'The Top,' host Nathan Latka interviews Foursquare CEO Jeff Glueck on how the company pivoted from a viral consumer social network into an enterprise B2B location data powerhouse. Glueck breaks down the technical capabilities of the Pilgrim SDK, SaaS API monetization, Wall Street foot-traffic analytics, and Foursquare's strategic positioning as the independent 'Switzerland' of spatial intelligence.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 37.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 3.5 Guest teaching 2.8 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 2.5
05100:0010:0020:000:39–5:20 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Overview and Promotion of GetLatka SaaS Database Platform Latka probes the 2016 down-round valuation and shift from a consumer social network to an enterprise data company. Glueck clarifies Dennis Crowley's original vision and how enterprise multiples reflect sustainable revenue.5:20–11:20 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Pilgrim SDK and Contextual Location Intelligence in Action Latka asks about check-in numbers and privacy pushback with Capital One. Glueck educates the host on passive vs. explicit ground truth check-ins and the multi-sensor machine learning behind the Pilgrim engine.11:20–13:24 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Monetizing Developer Infrastructure with Tiered SaaS API Pricing Latka pushes on the transition to monetize 70,000 free developers, inquiring whether pricing is pure API consumption or tiered SaaS. Glueck confirms it is tiered SaaS based on API thresholds.13:24–18:07 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Predicting Foot Traffic Trends and Hedge Fund Market Applications Latka details Foursquare's spot-on Chipotle foot traffic prediction and questions why the company does not trade on its own data like a hedge fund. Glueck politely dismisses the idea, emphasizing the company's identity as neutral technologists.18:07–20:31 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Platform Neutrality and Revenue Breakdown Against Tech Giants Latka asks about Foursquare's neutral 'Switzerland' positioning against Google and Facebook. Glueck details that over 90% of revenue is B2B and explains why automakers and tech giants avoid Google dependency.20:32–23:55 · Nathan as informed peer 1/10 Promotion and Income Report for Email Productivity Acquisition The segment includes an ad read for Latka's acquisition followed by the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questionnaire with low tension.0:39–5:20 · Guest teaching 3/10 Overview and Promotion of GetLatka SaaS Database Platform Latka probes the 2016 down-round valuation and shift from a consumer social network to an enterprise data company. Glueck clarifies Dennis Crowley's original vision and how enterprise multiples reflect sustainable revenue.5:20–11:20 · Guest teaching 4/10 Pilgrim SDK and Contextual Location Intelligence in Action Latka asks about check-in numbers and privacy pushback with Capital One. Glueck educates the host on passive vs. explicit ground truth check-ins and the multi-sensor machine learning behind the Pilgrim engine.11:20–13:24 · Guest teaching 2/10 Monetizing Developer Infrastructure with Tiered SaaS API Pricing Latka pushes on the transition to monetize 70,000 free developers, inquiring whether pricing is pure API consumption or tiered SaaS. Glueck confirms it is tiered SaaS based on API thresholds.13:24–18:07 · Guest teaching 4/10 Predicting Foot Traffic Trends and Hedge Fund Market Applications Latka details Foursquare's spot-on Chipotle foot traffic prediction and questions why the company does not trade on its own data like a hedge fund. Glueck politely dismisses the idea, emphasizing the company's identity as neutral technologists.18:07–20:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Platform Neutrality and Revenue Breakdown Against Tech Giants Latka asks about Foursquare's neutral 'Switzerland' positioning against Google and Facebook. Glueck details that over 90% of revenue is B2B and explains why automakers and tech giants avoid Google dependency.20:32–23:55 · Guest teaching 1/10 Promotion and Income Report for Email Productivity Acquisition The segment includes an ad read for Latka's acquisition followed by the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questionnaire with low tension.0:39–5:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Overview and Promotion of GetLatka SaaS Database Platform Latka probes the 2016 down-round valuation and shift from a consumer social network to an enterprise data company. Glueck clarifies Dennis Crowley's original vision and how enterprise multiples reflect sustainable revenue.5:20–11:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Pilgrim SDK and Contextual Location Intelligence in Action Latka asks about check-in numbers and privacy pushback with Capital One. Glueck educates the host on passive vs. explicit ground truth check-ins and the multi-sensor machine learning behind the Pilgrim engine.11:20–13:24 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Monetizing Developer Infrastructure with Tiered SaaS API Pricing Latka pushes on the transition to monetize 70,000 free developers, inquiring whether pricing is pure API consumption or tiered SaaS. Glueck confirms it is tiered SaaS based on API thresholds.13:24–18:07 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Predicting Foot Traffic Trends and Hedge Fund Market Applications Latka details Foursquare's spot-on Chipotle foot traffic prediction and questions why the company does not trade on its own data like a hedge fund. Glueck politely dismisses the idea, emphasizing the company's identity as neutral technologists.18:07–20:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Platform Neutrality and Revenue Breakdown Against Tech Giants Latka asks about Foursquare's neutral 'Switzerland' positioning against Google and Facebook. Glueck details that over 90% of revenue is B2B and explains why automakers and tech giants avoid Google dependency.20:32–23:55 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Promotion and Income Report for Email Productivity Acquisition The segment includes an ad read for Latka's acquisition followed by the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questionnaire with low tension.0:39–5:20 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Overview and Promotion of GetLatka SaaS Database Platform Latka probes the 2016 down-round valuation and shift from a consumer social network to an enterprise data company. Glueck clarifies Dennis Crowley's original vision and how enterprise multiples reflect sustainable revenue.5:20–11:20 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Pilgrim SDK and Contextual Location Intelligence in Action Latka asks about check-in numbers and privacy pushback with Capital One. Glueck educates the host on passive vs. explicit ground truth check-ins and the multi-sensor machine learning behind the Pilgrim engine.11:20–13:24 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Monetizing Developer Infrastructure with Tiered SaaS API Pricing Latka pushes on the transition to monetize 70,000 free developers, inquiring whether pricing is pure API consumption or tiered SaaS. Glueck confirms it is tiered SaaS based on API thresholds.13:24–18:07 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Predicting Foot Traffic Trends and Hedge Fund Market Applications Latka details Foursquare's spot-on Chipotle foot traffic prediction and questions why the company does not trade on its own data like a hedge fund. Glueck politely dismisses the idea, emphasizing the company's identity as neutral technologists.18:07–20:31 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Platform Neutrality and Revenue Breakdown Against Tech Giants Latka asks about Foursquare's neutral 'Switzerland' positioning against Google and Facebook. Glueck details that over 90% of revenue is B2B and explains why automakers and tech giants avoid Google dependency.20:32–23:55 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Promotion and Income Report for Email Productivity Acquisition The segment includes an ad read for Latka's acquisition followed by the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questionnaire with low tension.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 94.3% · guest 5.7%0:00 · Nathan 94.3% · guest 5.7%3:00 · Nathan 28.2% · guest 71.8%3:00 · Nathan 28.2% · guest 71.8%6:00 · Nathan 5.2% · guest 94.8%6:00 · Nathan 5.2% · guest 94.8%9:00 · Nathan 19% · guest 81%9:00 · Nathan 19% · guest 81%12:00 · Nathan 29.4% · guest 70.6%12:00 · Nathan 29.4% · guest 70.6%15:00 · Nathan 28% · guest 72%15:00 · Nathan 28% · guest 72%18:00 · Nathan 35.6% · guest 64.4%18:00 · Nathan 35.6% · guest 64.4%21:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%21:00 · Nathan 51.2% · guest 48.8%24:00 · Nathan 98.2% · guest 1.8%24:00 · Nathan 98.2% · guest 1.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 16:15 Glueck rejects hedge fund speculation

Glueck firmly rejects Latka's premise of taking trading positions on their data, stating that if they wanted to work at a hedge fund in Connecticut they would, but they are strictly technologists.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 16:00 Latka challenges Foursquare's restraint on stock trading

Latka questions why Foursquare leaves massive money on the table instead of using its bank reserves to short stocks like Chipotle when proprietary data shows a guaranteed crash.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:28 Glueck details explicit ground truth and passive sensing

Glueck educates Latka on the technical distinction between active life-logging check-ins and passive multi-sensor triangulation (WiFi, Bluetooth beacons, GPS) used to map venue interiors.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 13:24 Latka cites exact Chipotle prediction accuracy

Latka demonstrates detailed domain prep by citing Foursquare's exact forecast of a 30% drop against Chipotle's reported 29.7% decline to frame his business model question.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Overview and Promotion of GetLatka SaaS Database Platform 4313 Latka probes the 2016 down-round valuation and shift from a consumer social network to an enterprise data company. Glueck clarifies Dennis Crowley's original vision and how enterprise multiples reflect sustainable revenue.
Pilgrim SDK and Contextual Location Intelligence in Action 3412 Latka asks about check-in numbers and privacy pushback with Capital One. Glueck educates the host on passive vs. explicit ground truth check-ins and the multi-sensor machine learning behind the Pilgrim engine.
Monetizing Developer Infrastructure with Tiered SaaS API Pricing 4213 Latka pushes on the transition to monetize 70,000 free developers, inquiring whether pricing is pure API consumption or tiered SaaS. Glueck confirms it is tiered SaaS based on API thresholds.
Predicting Foot Traffic Trends and Hedge Fund Market Applications 5424 Latka details Foursquare's spot-on Chipotle foot traffic prediction and questions why the company does not trade on its own data like a hedge fund. Glueck politely dismisses the idea, emphasizing the company's identity as neutral technologists.
Platform Neutrality and Revenue Breakdown Against Tech Giants 4312 Latka asks about Foursquare's neutral 'Switzerland' positioning against Google and Facebook. Glueck details that over 90% of revenue is B2B and explains why automakers and tech giants avoid Google dependency.
Promotion and Income Report for Email Productivity Acquisition 1101 The segment includes an ad read for Latka's acquisition followed by the standard Famous Five rapid-fire questionnaire with low tension.

Statements from this episode (14)

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Glueck: Foursquare Retained Over 50 Million Users When He Joined
“We still had over fifty million people in over 160 countries using the apps”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 2:52
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Glueck: Foursquare Revenue Has Grown Over 60% Three Years Running
“As we're growing over 60% now three years in a row.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 4:03
Assertion Supported
Glueck: Foursquare Powers Location Data for Uber, Apple Maps, and Snapchat
“Mapping understanding of a 160 plus countries has, you know, winds up in being used in a lot of your favorite apps, Like Uber, and Apple Maps, and Snapchat, and Twitter, and Pinterest, and Samsung phones”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 4:38
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Glueck: Foursquare check-in volume is higher than two or four years ago
“We do more check-ins today than we did two years ago, or four years ago.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 6:04
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Glueck: Foursquare sees about 7M daily check-ins and nearly 12B cumulative
“It's about seven million check-ins a day, and we're approaching twelve billion cumulative check-ins.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 6:17
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Glueck: Foursquare Pilgrim tracks visits across 105M global venues
“Because it then enables us passively, to your point, to recognize now when a phone in your pocket or in your purse walks in and out of a hundred and five million venues in almost every country in the world.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 7:17
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Glueck: TouchTunes sales rose 80% to 90% after integrating Pilgrim SDK
“In a matter of weeks by implementing technology, they saw sales go up 80 to 90%, because when you walked in and stopped, you'd get a notification on your iPhone or Android, and it would say, hey, are you at Joe's Dive Bar?”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 9:44
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Glueck: 70,000 companies used Foursquare for free before monetization
“I just saw these 70,000 companies using our stuff for free, including lots of Fortune 500 companies”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 11:59
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Glueck: Foursquare lost zero developers when switching to paid APIs
“We started making calls, and we didn't lose a single developer or publisher”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 12:38
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Glueck: Samsung phones call Foursquare APIs hundreds of millions of times yearly
“There are developers like Samsung phones that literally call us, you know, hundreds of millions of times a year.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 13:05
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Glueck: Three of the Five Largest Hedge Funds Use Foursquare Data
“You know, well, three of the world's five largest hedge funds are customers of ours, and they look at the aggregate, anonymous data trends.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 14:14
Disclosure
Glueck: Over 90% of Foursquare's revenue comes from B2B businesses
“Overall, the business is 90% B to B over 90% B to B, and the rest being, you know, ads in our consumer beloved apps.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 18:41
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Glueck: Half of the AdAge 100 buy Foursquare's audience segments
“Half of the, at age 100 are buying advertising audiences that we design based on people who are fast food junkies, people who are fitness junkies, people shopping for a car or the like.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 18:56
Disclosure
Glueck: Foursquare's Pinpoint advertising business is growing ~90% YoY
“So that's a big business for us called Pinpoint that's growing about 90% year over year.”
Jeff Glueck Sep 11, 2017 ▶ 19:10
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