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Nov 2, 2017 · 28m · top-founders

831: You Have $10k, Should You Defer or Deduct?

Garrett Gunderson · 16m spoken Nathan Latka · 9m spoken
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Host Nathan Latka interviews Wealth Factory founder Garrett Gunderson, who breaks down contrarian frameworks for post-exit capital allocation, tax optimization, and building a high-margin virtual family office.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 35.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.3 Guest teaching 4.5 Guest disagreement 3.8 Nathan pushing back 3.5
05100:0010:0020:008:59–13:57 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Post-Exit Capital Allocation and Investor Mindset Nathan asks for specific allocation advice for post-exit entrepreneurs and offers his personal college real estate criteria. Garrett reframes conventional investing wisdom, emphasizing patience, holding cash, and focusing on investor competence over broad diversification.13:57–17:58 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Tax Optimization: Deferral vs. Deduction Framework Garrett criticizes tax deferral strategies as fundamentally flawed compared to deductions. When Nathan attempts to summarize his position in black-and-white terms, Garrett pushes back forcefully with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro', prompting Nathan to explain his interviewing style.17:58–22:49 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Wealth Factory Business Model and Scaling Philosophy Nathan drills into Wealth Factory's business model, customer numbers, and past tragedy. Garrett collaboratively explains his fee structure, shift away from commissions, and intentional decision to limit intake to 10 clients per month.22:50–27:43 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Sponsor Message: Acuity Scheduling Following a sponsor ad read for Acuity Scheduling, Nathan transitions into the Famous Five and brings up Tony Robbins' book 'Money'. Both agree on a contrarian critique of mainstream billionaire advice aimed at business owners.8:59–13:57 · Guest teaching 6/10 Post-Exit Capital Allocation and Investor Mindset Nathan asks for specific allocation advice for post-exit entrepreneurs and offers his personal college real estate criteria. Garrett reframes conventional investing wisdom, emphasizing patience, holding cash, and focusing on investor competence over broad diversification.13:57–17:58 · Guest teaching 6/10 Tax Optimization: Deferral vs. Deduction Framework Garrett criticizes tax deferral strategies as fundamentally flawed compared to deductions. When Nathan attempts to summarize his position in black-and-white terms, Garrett pushes back forcefully with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro', prompting Nathan to explain his interviewing style.17:58–22:49 · Guest teaching 2/10 Wealth Factory Business Model and Scaling Philosophy Nathan drills into Wealth Factory's business model, customer numbers, and past tragedy. Garrett collaboratively explains his fee structure, shift away from commissions, and intentional decision to limit intake to 10 clients per month.22:50–27:43 · Guest teaching 4/10 Sponsor Message: Acuity Scheduling Following a sponsor ad read for Acuity Scheduling, Nathan transitions into the Famous Five and brings up Tony Robbins' book 'Money'. Both agree on a contrarian critique of mainstream billionaire advice aimed at business owners.8:59–13:57 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Post-Exit Capital Allocation and Investor Mindset Nathan asks for specific allocation advice for post-exit entrepreneurs and offers his personal college real estate criteria. Garrett reframes conventional investing wisdom, emphasizing patience, holding cash, and focusing on investor competence over broad diversification.13:57–17:58 · Guest disagreement 6/10 Tax Optimization: Deferral vs. Deduction Framework Garrett criticizes tax deferral strategies as fundamentally flawed compared to deductions. When Nathan attempts to summarize his position in black-and-white terms, Garrett pushes back forcefully with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro', prompting Nathan to explain his interviewing style.17:58–22:49 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Wealth Factory Business Model and Scaling Philosophy Nathan drills into Wealth Factory's business model, customer numbers, and past tragedy. Garrett collaboratively explains his fee structure, shift away from commissions, and intentional decision to limit intake to 10 clients per month.22:50–27:43 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Sponsor Message: Acuity Scheduling Following a sponsor ad read for Acuity Scheduling, Nathan transitions into the Famous Five and brings up Tony Robbins' book 'Money'. Both agree on a contrarian critique of mainstream billionaire advice aimed at business owners.8:59–13:57 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Post-Exit Capital Allocation and Investor Mindset Nathan asks for specific allocation advice for post-exit entrepreneurs and offers his personal college real estate criteria. Garrett reframes conventional investing wisdom, emphasizing patience, holding cash, and focusing on investor competence over broad diversification.13:57–17:58 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Tax Optimization: Deferral vs. Deduction Framework Garrett criticizes tax deferral strategies as fundamentally flawed compared to deductions. When Nathan attempts to summarize his position in black-and-white terms, Garrett pushes back forcefully with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro', prompting Nathan to explain his interviewing style.17:58–22:49 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Wealth Factory Business Model and Scaling Philosophy Nathan drills into Wealth Factory's business model, customer numbers, and past tragedy. Garrett collaboratively explains his fee structure, shift away from commissions, and intentional decision to limit intake to 10 clients per month.22:50–27:43 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Sponsor Message: Acuity Scheduling Following a sponsor ad read for Acuity Scheduling, Nathan transitions into the Famous Five and brings up Tony Robbins' book 'Money'. Both agree on a contrarian critique of mainstream billionaire advice aimed at business owners.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 71.7% · guest 28.3%0:00 · Nathan 71.7% · guest 28.3%3:00 · Nathan 12.1% · guest 87.9%3:00 · Nathan 12.1% · guest 87.9%6:00 · Nathan 22.9% · guest 77.1%6:00 · Nathan 22.9% · guest 77.1%9:00 · Nathan 37.9% · guest 62.1%9:00 · Nathan 37.9% · guest 62.1%12:00 · Nathan 18.2% · guest 81.8%12:00 · Nathan 18.2% · guest 81.8%15:00 · Nathan 40.4% · guest 59.6%15:00 · Nathan 40.4% · guest 59.6%18:00 · Nathan 22.3% · guest 77.7%18:00 · Nathan 22.3% · guest 77.7%21:00 · Nathan 46.8% · guest 53.2%21:00 · Nathan 46.8% · guest 53.2%24:00 · Nathan 34.3% · guest 65.7%24:00 · Nathan 34.3% · guest 65.7%27:00 · Nathan 61.9% · guest 38.1%27:00 · Nathan 61.9% · guest 38.1%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:24 Gunderson halts Latka's generalization

When Nathan attempts to generalize Garrett's stance as being universally against all deferred retirement vehicles, Garrett directly snaps back with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro.'

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 15:18 Latka pushes for edge cases in black-and-white terms

Nathan intentionally pushes Garrett's rule to the absolute extreme to force him to identify where his anti-deferral framework breaks down.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:29 Deferral vs. deduction tax breakdown

Garrett rejects the tax advice Nathan received regarding SEP IRAs and details why deferring tax is often a trap based on historical tax rates and government control.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 17:04 Tactical question on startup option exercise tax burden

Nathan asks a highly technical equity and tax question regarding early startup employees exercising options, prompting Garrett to concede it is outside his domain of expertise.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Post-Exit Capital Allocation and Investor Mindset 4633 Nathan asks for specific allocation advice for post-exit entrepreneurs and offers his personal college real estate criteria. Garrett reframes conventional investing wisdom, emphasizing patience, holding cash, and focusing on investor competence over broad diversification.
Tax Optimization: Deferral vs. Deduction Framework 5666 Garrett criticizes tax deferral strategies as fundamentally flawed compared to deductions. When Nathan attempts to summarize his position in black-and-white terms, Garrett pushes back forcefully with 'Don't put words in my mouth, bro', prompting Nathan to explain his interviewing style.
Wealth Factory Business Model and Scaling Philosophy 4223 Nathan drills into Wealth Factory's business model, customer numbers, and past tragedy. Garrett collaboratively explains his fee structure, shift away from commissions, and intentional decision to limit intake to 10 clients per month.
Sponsor Message: Acuity Scheduling 4442 Following a sponsor ad read for Acuity Scheduling, Nathan transitions into the Famous Five and brings up Tony Robbins' book 'Money'. Both agree on a contrarian critique of mainstream billionaire advice aimed at business owners.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gunderson sold 22,000 copies of 'Killing Sacred Cows' before release
“I already knew how to sell it before the product was done because I sold 22,000 copies of my book before it was even published.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 5:02
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gunderson's self-published book earns significantly more than his NYT bestseller
“So that self published book is making me a lot more money than my New York Times bestseller ever did simply because I've licensed it To other financial professionals.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 7:56
Disclosure
Latka: I only buy college properties priced at 10x gross revenue
“I won't buy it has to be a college property, and it has to be, the price has to be 10 X gross revenues, and if it doesn't hit those two things, I don't buy it.”
Nathan Latka Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 11:40
Assertion Partly supported
Gunderson: Average top US tax bracket historically exceeds 60%
“In 1913, when we had the U.S. Revenue Act, it was a temporary act, and yet the top average bracket's over 60% in its history.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 14:54
Disclosure
Gunderson used appreciated art donation to create a major tax deduction
“I owned a bunch of artwork that appraised for substantially more than I owned it for, and when I donated it created a massive tax deduction, so I could defer and then strategically pull money out during that time.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 16:32
Insight
Gunderson: Individuals with over $50M net worth should use traditional family offices
“People with fifty million or a hundred million or more net worth, I highly recommend they go to a family office. Family offices are phenomenal. So what I built was a virtual family office For those people that wouldn't qualify”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 18:20
Opinion
Gunderson: Billionaires interviewed in Tony Robbins' book give horrendously bad advice
“He interviews a lot of billionaires, and the billionaires are absolutely giving horrendously bad advice.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 25:09
Assertion Contradicted
Gunderson: 91% of people worth over $5M own a business
“91% of people worth five million or more own a business.”
Garrett Gunderson Nov 2, 2017 ▶ 25:35
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