Jun 17, 2020 · 19m · top-founders
Masterworks: SaaS Wealth Going Into Picasso Paintings, 20x Returns?
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In this interview with Nathan Latka, Masterworks founder and CEO Scott Lynn discusses how the platform securitizes multi-million-dollar blue-chip artwork through SEC qualification, allowing everyday investors to acquire fractional shares in historically high-performing, uncorrelated alternative assets.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 36.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Nathan as informed peer 3.1 Guest teaching 3.0 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 2.0
speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:49 Lynn resists host pressure to critique competitors
When Latka directly pushes Lynn to drop politeness and dismiss Clearbanc's business model, Lynn resists the provocation and maintains a measured perspective.
Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 13:45 Latka rejects diplomatic answer on lending modelsLatka refuses Lynn's diplomatic response, pressing him directly with 'Come on. You're being nice. Is the model going to work?'
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 4:18 Lynn clarifies auction comps vs direct platform holdingsLatka assumes Masterworks bought and held a Monet for 41 years, leading Lynn to explain that the metric comes from their historical public auction database.
Nathan holds their own ▶ 3:21 Latka introduces macro monetary policy counterargumentLatka demonstrates financial literacy by framing a counterargument around Fed balance sheet growth, stimulus liquidity, and corporate buybacks inflating asset prices.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Nathan as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Nathan pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Introducing Masterworks and Art as an Asset Class | 5 | 4 | 1 | 3 | Latka challenges whether massive Fed balance sheet expansion and corporate liquidity artificially inflate art valuations. Lynn counters by citing research showing art appreciation is primarily correlated to global ultra-wealth creation. | |
| Historical Data Tracking and Offering Execution | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Latka inspects the platform's Monet 51x return metric, prompting Lynn to clarify that the figure comes from an internal database of 80,000 auction sales rather than an actual Masterworks holding. | |
| Business Model, Fee Structure, and Holding Horizons | 4 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Latka presses on how Masterworks avoids short-term flipping incentives to collect carry fees. Lynn explains that illiquidity in blue-chip art inherently necessitates multi-year holding horizons. | |
| Investor Onboarding Process and Platform Conversion | 4 | 2 | 2 | 4 | Latka scrutinizes user onboarding conversion rates and aggressively pushes Lynn to evaluate competitor revenue-financing models like Clearbanc. | |
| Private Art Collecting and High-End Market Realities | 2 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Latka references pop culture depictions of art buying from TV and explicitly admits his unfamiliarity with art terminology, allowing Lynn to explain market mechanics and high-value private sales. | |
| Masterworks Acquisition Strategy and Artwork Storage | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Latka inquires about physical storage and asset security, while Lynn details Masterworks' diversified 40-artist acquisition model and secondary liquidity market. | |
| Episode Summary and Final Takeaways | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Latka delivers a concluding summary monologue outlining Masterworks' history, employee count, fee structure, and AUM trajectory. |
Statements from this episode (19)
Lynn: Masterworks is first to fractionalize fine art ownership
“So we, so we're really the first company to fractalize ownership in great works of art.”
The global art asset class is worth $1.7 trillion
“The total size of the asset class is 1.7 trillion dollars.”
Lynn: Majority of created art has outperformed the S&P 500
“At least for the majority of art created, it's outperformed the S&P.”
Lynn: 2019 Citi study proved art is uncorrelated with markets
“We did a research study with Citibank in, in, in 19 that concluded that it was also uncorrelated.”
Art prices are mostly correlated with global ultra-wealth creation
“I mean, we think that our prices are Probably mostly correlated to global ultra wealth creation.”
Masterworks uses 25 interns to track 80,000 auction paintings
“We have a research team of 25 interns that have went out and collected over 80,000 paintings that have been bought and sold at public auction. And then what the returns have been on those particular artworks for collectors.”
Lynn: Masterworks has completed 14 to 15 offerings, launching bi-weekly
“We've done, I think now we've done 14 to 15 different offerings between one and ten million dollars per painting. We're launching about one offering every two weeks now.”
Masterworks sold out a $1M Pierre Soulages offering in one day
“We launched the offering on Monday. We sold it out on Tuesday. To six or 700 people. I think it was a one million dollar offering.”
Lynn: Masterworks raises over $6M–$7M monthly, growing 30%–40% month-over-month
“We're raising an excess of six million dollars, seven million dollars a month in capital growing by more than 30, 40% a month.”
Masterworks' first SEC-registered art offering took 1.5 years to clear
“All of our offerings are filed with the SEC. They're technically public offerings. So we filed our first offering with the SEC maybe a year and a half, two years ago. Took us nearly, nearly a year and a half to get that through the SEC just because they'd real…”
Lynn: Masterworks charges a 1.5% management fee and 20% carry on sales
“So we make money very similar to how a hedge fund makes money, which is on a one and a half percent per year management fee plus 20% of the profit when a painting sells.”
Lynn: Blue-chip artists historically return between 8% and 30% annually
“These are three to seven year holds. But when you look at the performance of some of these artists overall, you know, we tend to see returns anywhere between eight percent a year and 30% a year.”
Lynn: Masterworks has over $30M under management
“I mean, I think at this point we're over thirty million maybe more than that under management.”
Masterworks avoids self-serve, speaking to 100% of its investors directly
“So we speak to a hundred percent of investors that, that are on the platform. We don't really believe in the, in a self-serve model in part just because people don't really understand the asset class.”
Lynn: Masterworks has over 10,000 active investors
“You know, I think our active investors now are somewhere above 10,000, but not.”
Scott Lynn built a top 100 US art collection starting at 19
“So I started collecting art when I was 19 really with my very first company and have built now an important collection in the U S probably a top hundred collection by artists like Pollock, Rothko, Klein, De Kooning sort of well-known names”
Lynn: Fine art accounts for $68 billion in annual sales
“The art world, even though it's sixty eight billion dollars a year sells in art, it's really a small community of several thousand people who are ultra wealthy.”