Apr 18, 2022 · 19m · top-founders

The Math Behind the $360m Sage Paid to Acquire BrightPearl

Derek O'Connell · 10m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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In this episode of Conversations with Nathan Latka, Brightpearl CEO Derek O'Connell explains how he led a six-year turnaround of the retail software company, culminating in a $360 million acquisition by enterprise giant Sage.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 36.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.8 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 1.2 Nathan pushing back 2.8
05100:0010:001:14–4:59 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 The Turnaround Journey and Growth Trajectory Nathan tracks historical ARR growth and probes into the acquisition metrics for Inventory Planner. Derek openly shares valuation multiples and deal structure terms.4:59–8:13 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Cap Table Restructuring, Secondary Funds, and Series C Funding Nathan digs into funding rounds and secondary transactions. Derek clarifies that while secondary funds invested, all capital went directly onto the balance sheet rather than cashing out equity.8:13–12:10 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Spillover PE Bidding and the Inbound Sage Acquisition Derek explains the dynamics of runner-up private equity firms driving inbound acquisition interest after losing a competitor's deal. Nathan lets Derek recount the story uninterrupted.12:12–15:58 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Sponsor Break: Paragon Embedded Integrations After an ad read, Nathan breaks down the multiple arbitrage of the buyout and challenges Derek on Sage's prior cap table percentage using public regulatory filings, compelling Derek to concede an error in his math.15:58–19:08 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Post-Acquisition Execution and Distribution Inside Sage Derek discusses integration strategy inside Sage and answers the rapid-fire questions, while Nathan summarizes the founder's multi-year turnaround.1:14–4:59 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Turnaround Journey and Growth Trajectory Nathan tracks historical ARR growth and probes into the acquisition metrics for Inventory Planner. Derek openly shares valuation multiples and deal structure terms.4:59–8:13 · Guest teaching 4/10 Cap Table Restructuring, Secondary Funds, and Series C Funding Nathan digs into funding rounds and secondary transactions. Derek clarifies that while secondary funds invested, all capital went directly onto the balance sheet rather than cashing out equity.8:13–12:10 · Guest teaching 3/10 Spillover PE Bidding and the Inbound Sage Acquisition Derek explains the dynamics of runner-up private equity firms driving inbound acquisition interest after losing a competitor's deal. Nathan lets Derek recount the story uninterrupted.12:12–15:58 · Guest teaching 2/10 Sponsor Break: Paragon Embedded Integrations After an ad read, Nathan breaks down the multiple arbitrage of the buyout and challenges Derek on Sage's prior cap table percentage using public regulatory filings, compelling Derek to concede an error in his math.15:58–19:08 · Guest teaching 1/10 Post-Acquisition Execution and Distribution Inside Sage Derek discusses integration strategy inside Sage and answers the rapid-fire questions, while Nathan summarizes the founder's multi-year turnaround.1:14–4:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Turnaround Journey and Growth Trajectory Nathan tracks historical ARR growth and probes into the acquisition metrics for Inventory Planner. Derek openly shares valuation multiples and deal structure terms.4:59–8:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Cap Table Restructuring, Secondary Funds, and Series C Funding Nathan digs into funding rounds and secondary transactions. Derek clarifies that while secondary funds invested, all capital went directly onto the balance sheet rather than cashing out equity.8:13–12:10 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Spillover PE Bidding and the Inbound Sage Acquisition Derek explains the dynamics of runner-up private equity firms driving inbound acquisition interest after losing a competitor's deal. Nathan lets Derek recount the story uninterrupted.12:12–15:58 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Sponsor Break: Paragon Embedded Integrations After an ad read, Nathan breaks down the multiple arbitrage of the buyout and challenges Derek on Sage's prior cap table percentage using public regulatory filings, compelling Derek to concede an error in his math.15:58–19:08 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Post-Acquisition Execution and Distribution Inside Sage Derek discusses integration strategy inside Sage and answers the rapid-fire questions, while Nathan summarizes the founder's multi-year turnaround.1:14–4:59 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Turnaround Journey and Growth Trajectory Nathan tracks historical ARR growth and probes into the acquisition metrics for Inventory Planner. Derek openly shares valuation multiples and deal structure terms.4:59–8:13 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Cap Table Restructuring, Secondary Funds, and Series C Funding Nathan digs into funding rounds and secondary transactions. Derek clarifies that while secondary funds invested, all capital went directly onto the balance sheet rather than cashing out equity.8:13–12:10 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Spillover PE Bidding and the Inbound Sage Acquisition Derek explains the dynamics of runner-up private equity firms driving inbound acquisition interest after losing a competitor's deal. Nathan lets Derek recount the story uninterrupted.12:12–15:58 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Sponsor Break: Paragon Embedded Integrations After an ad read, Nathan breaks down the multiple arbitrage of the buyout and challenges Derek on Sage's prior cap table percentage using public regulatory filings, compelling Derek to concede an error in his math.15:58–19:08 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Post-Acquisition Execution and Distribution Inside Sage Derek discusses integration strategy inside Sage and answers the rapid-fire questions, while Nathan summarizes the founder's multi-year turnaround.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 50.5% · guest 49.5%0:00 · Nathan 50.5% · guest 49.5%3:00 · Nathan 18.4% · guest 81.6%3:00 · Nathan 18.4% · guest 81.6%6:00 · Nathan 33.5% · guest 66.5%6:00 · Nathan 33.5% · guest 66.5%9:00 · Nathan 15.9% · guest 84.1%9:00 · Nathan 15.9% · guest 84.1%12:00 · Nathan 76.7% · guest 23.3%12:00 · Nathan 76.7% · guest 23.3%15:00 · Nathan 15.8% · guest 84.2%15:00 · Nathan 15.8% · guest 84.2%18:00 · Nathan 53% · guest 47%18:00 · Nathan 53% · guest 47%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 14:27 Derek disputes cap table calculation

Derek pushes back on Nathan's equity deduction, insisting Sage only acquired 10-11% rather than the 17% indicated by transaction disclosures.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 14:43 Nathan presses on public regulatory figures

Nathan refuses Derek's estimates, citing Sage's own public filings stating they bought an 83% remaining stake to prove they previously owned 17%.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:03 Derek explains secondary fund primary investments

Derek educates Nathan on how secondary specialist funds bought out an expiring fund's position while injecting fresh capital directly onto the balance sheet.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 14:43 Nathan catches cap table discrepancy using financial data

Nathan demonstrates mastery over the M&A numbers by catching an inconsistency in the guest's cap table breakdown and forcing Derek to apologize for the oversight.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
The Turnaround Journey and Growth Trajectory 6212 Nathan tracks historical ARR growth and probes into the acquisition metrics for Inventory Planner. Derek openly shares valuation multiples and deal structure terms.
Cap Table Restructuring, Secondary Funds, and Series C Funding 6413 Nathan digs into funding rounds and secondary transactions. Derek clarifies that while secondary funds invested, all capital went directly onto the balance sheet rather than cashing out equity.
Spillover PE Bidding and the Inbound Sage Acquisition 4311 Derek explains the dynamics of runner-up private equity firms driving inbound acquisition interest after losing a competitor's deal. Nathan lets Derek recount the story uninterrupted.
Sponsor Break: Paragon Embedded Integrations 8227 After an ad read, Nathan breaks down the multiple arbitrage of the buyout and challenges Derek on Sage's prior cap table percentage using public regulatory filings, compelling Derek to concede an error in his math.
Post-Acquisition Execution and Distribution Inside Sage 5111 Derek discusses integration strategy inside Sage and answers the rapid-fire questions, while Nathan summarizes the founder's multi-year turnaround.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Partly supported
Brightpearl's revenue grew from $12.8M in 2019 to $30M in 2021
“Yeah, we ended 2019 at 12.8. Then the next year, 2020 went to eighteen million. So that was about 39, 38% growth. And then in 21, just gone, we got to thirty million, which was 63% growth year over year.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 1:49
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Brightpearl's $30M revenue in 2021 included $4.5M from an acquisition
“So organically Brightboro got to 25 and a half and then the four and a half came from the acquisition that we made. So the group got to thirty million at the end, which was key.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 2:41
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Inventory Planner grew from $2.4M to $4.5M in revenue during acquisition
“So that business is growing at 70%. When we sent in the LOI, the letter of intent we have, we obviously had them growing at 70%. They were on revenue at 2.4. They ended the year at four, 4.5.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 3:08
Disclosure
Brightpearl paid a 3.1x revenue multiple to acquire Inventory Planner
“The multiple that we paid cause they were pre-scale. Was around about 3.1 times 3.1 revenue because they were subscale and they were technology only team”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 3:25
Disclosure
Inventory Planner buyout was 70% cash upfront, 30% for technical remediation
“No, it was 7030 because the remediation list was very small. It was a known, you know, it's just pretty tight, well-written code base. So yeah, 7030.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 4:37
Disclosure
Brightpearl executed an internal down round to top up employee option pool
“We did do a down round, like in terms of a revalue of bride pro we had to, and the primary driver of that was to ensure that we could top up the option pool for the employees and make sure that they all came along for the ride and every share was equal.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 5:25
Assertion Supported
Brightpearl raised a $30M round led by strategic investor Sage
“And then on top of that, we brought in a strategic investor, which was called Sage. And altogether we raised thirty million about 14 months ago with those guys.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 6:15
Assertion Supported
Brightpearl raised its $30M strategic round at a $130M valuation
“Yeah. A little bit lower. It's around about one 30.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 7:36
Assertion Supported
Brightpearl's team owned just over 16% of the company after Series C
“It was just over 16%, just over like clean.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 8:56
Disclosure
Brightpearl planned to raise a $100M-$120M round before the Sage buyout
“So we had always had a plan in early 20, 22, we'd go to market and raise a hundred and twenty million dollars. That was very clear to the board. So it was a two stage process. Thirdly in, get a product out to market with Sage and then do the one 20, early 20, …”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 9:42
Insight
Sage acquired Brightpearl to build a retail solution to rival NetSuite
“And the reason why Sage bought us at the end of the day is they compete with NetSuite. So do we. But it's no secret that if you go to their website, you don't see a sector specific solution for retail, but obviously we are a sector specific solution for retail…”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 11:33
Assertion Supported
Sage acquired Brightpearl for a $360M enterprise value plus retention packages
“Three 60 enterprise value, and then some separate retention stuff on top, but enterprise value in terms of equity was three 60, which everyone was very happy with.”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 13:42
Insight
Partnering beats building custom accounting tools in a commoditized software market
“I wanted to raise money to build a better accounting solution within Brideboro specifically designed for retail. But when I looked at it, the cost of doing that and having a clear idea of what the strategy was to win in a highly commoditized market didn't real…”
Derek O'Connell Apr 18, 2022 ▶ 15:32
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