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Jul 27, 2022 · 19m · top-founders

$0 to $1.2m in 8 Months, How this Sales Enablement SaaS Founder Bootstrapped with super fast growth

Adam Baker · 10m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken
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Serial entrepreneur Adam Baker breaks down how he bootstrapped retention platform Churnly to $6.5 million ARR and rapidly scaled his new sales enablement SaaS, DealPad.io, from zero to $1.2 million ARR in eight months. Baker shares tactical insights on cold outbound customer acquisition, 50/50 technical co-founder partnerships, and the strategic power of remaining bootstrapped.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 34.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.1 Guest teaching 1.7 Guest disagreement 1.0 Nathan pushing back 3.0
05100:0010:000:42–2:47 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Adam Baker's Background and Churnly's Rapid Growth Nathan opens by testing Adam's focus and immediately brings up market context with Paddle's acquisition of ProfitWell to gauge exit appetite.2:47–6:04 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Lessons Learned from the Early Sale of Blotter Nathan highlights customer concentration risks with 90 accounts yielding 6.5M ARR, prompting Adam to explain Churnly's high services-to-SaaS ratio.6:04–8:24 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Churnly's Revenue Split, Pricing Strategy, and Early Testing Nathan actively crunches the numbers on the fly, calculating that a 70 percent SaaS portion across 90 clients implies 50k ACVs and a 5 to 20M ARR ICP target.8:27–12:13 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Sponsor Break: Founderpath Valuation Tool Following the Founderpath ad, Nathan drills into DealPad's exact monetization model and monthly contract values.12:14–15:33 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 DealPad's Rapid Outbound Go-To-Market Execution Nathan aggressively interrogates Adam's non-verbal cues about whether he is secretly sitting on a VC term sheet.15:34–17:54 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Co-Founder Search and Equity Partnership with Kim When Adam forgets the name of the co-founder platform (calling it Z Hawk), Nathan immediately identifies and provides the correct URL StartHawk.io.17:55–18:53 · Nathan as informed peer 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with fast, collaborative Q&A.0:42–2:47 · Guest teaching 1/10 Adam Baker's Background and Churnly's Rapid Growth Nathan opens by testing Adam's focus and immediately brings up market context with Paddle's acquisition of ProfitWell to gauge exit appetite.2:47–6:04 · Guest teaching 3/10 Lessons Learned from the Early Sale of Blotter Nathan highlights customer concentration risks with 90 accounts yielding 6.5M ARR, prompting Adam to explain Churnly's high services-to-SaaS ratio.6:04–8:24 · Guest teaching 2/10 Churnly's Revenue Split, Pricing Strategy, and Early Testing Nathan actively crunches the numbers on the fly, calculating that a 70 percent SaaS portion across 90 clients implies 50k ACVs and a 5 to 20M ARR ICP target.8:27–12:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 Sponsor Break: Founderpath Valuation Tool Following the Founderpath ad, Nathan drills into DealPad's exact monetization model and monthly contract values.12:14–15:33 · Guest teaching 2/10 DealPad's Rapid Outbound Go-To-Market Execution Nathan aggressively interrogates Adam's non-verbal cues about whether he is secretly sitting on a VC term sheet.15:34–17:54 · Guest teaching 1/10 Co-Founder Search and Equity Partnership with Kim When Adam forgets the name of the co-founder platform (calling it Z Hawk), Nathan immediately identifies and provides the correct URL StartHawk.io.17:55–18:53 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with fast, collaborative Q&A.0:42–2:47 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Adam Baker's Background and Churnly's Rapid Growth Nathan opens by testing Adam's focus and immediately brings up market context with Paddle's acquisition of ProfitWell to gauge exit appetite.2:47–6:04 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Lessons Learned from the Early Sale of Blotter Nathan highlights customer concentration risks with 90 accounts yielding 6.5M ARR, prompting Adam to explain Churnly's high services-to-SaaS ratio.6:04–8:24 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Churnly's Revenue Split, Pricing Strategy, and Early Testing Nathan actively crunches the numbers on the fly, calculating that a 70 percent SaaS portion across 90 clients implies 50k ACVs and a 5 to 20M ARR ICP target.8:27–12:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Sponsor Break: Founderpath Valuation Tool Following the Founderpath ad, Nathan drills into DealPad's exact monetization model and monthly contract values.12:14–15:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 DealPad's Rapid Outbound Go-To-Market Execution Nathan aggressively interrogates Adam's non-verbal cues about whether he is secretly sitting on a VC term sheet.15:34–17:54 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Co-Founder Search and Equity Partnership with Kim When Adam forgets the name of the co-founder platform (calling it Z Hawk), Nathan immediately identifies and provides the correct URL StartHawk.io.17:55–18:53 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with fast, collaborative Q&A.0:42–2:47 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Adam Baker's Background and Churnly's Rapid Growth Nathan opens by testing Adam's focus and immediately brings up market context with Paddle's acquisition of ProfitWell to gauge exit appetite.2:47–6:04 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Lessons Learned from the Early Sale of Blotter Nathan highlights customer concentration risks with 90 accounts yielding 6.5M ARR, prompting Adam to explain Churnly's high services-to-SaaS ratio.6:04–8:24 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Churnly's Revenue Split, Pricing Strategy, and Early Testing Nathan actively crunches the numbers on the fly, calculating that a 70 percent SaaS portion across 90 clients implies 50k ACVs and a 5 to 20M ARR ICP target.8:27–12:13 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Sponsor Break: Founderpath Valuation Tool Following the Founderpath ad, Nathan drills into DealPad's exact monetization model and monthly contract values.12:14–15:33 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 DealPad's Rapid Outbound Go-To-Market Execution Nathan aggressively interrogates Adam's non-verbal cues about whether he is secretly sitting on a VC term sheet.15:34–17:54 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Co-Founder Search and Equity Partnership with Kim When Adam forgets the name of the co-founder platform (calling it Z Hawk), Nathan immediately identifies and provides the correct URL StartHawk.io.17:55–18:53 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions Standard rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with fast, collaborative Q&A.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 49.5% · guest 50.5%0:00 · Nathan 49.5% · guest 50.5%3:00 · Nathan 7.1% · guest 92.9%3:00 · Nathan 7.1% · guest 92.9%6:00 · Nathan 52.5% · guest 47.5%6:00 · Nathan 52.5% · guest 47.5%9:00 · Nathan 23.5% · guest 76.5%9:00 · Nathan 23.5% · guest 76.5%12:00 · Nathan 42.9% · guest 57.1%12:00 · Nathan 42.9% · guest 57.1%15:00 · Nathan 23.3% · guest 76.7%15:00 · Nathan 23.3% · guest 76.7%18:00 · Nathan 72.2% · guest 27.8%18:00 · Nathan 72.2% · guest 27.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 14:16 Playful deflection over fundraising term sheets

Adam dodges Nathan's insistent reading of his body language regarding pending term sheets and capital offers.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 14:16 Pressing on secretive term sheet rumors

Nathan repeatedly refuses Adam's vague response and explicitly demands to know what offer is sitting on the table.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:47 Explaining flat-fee vs take-rate pricing disputes

Adam educates Nathan on why taking a percentage of retained revenue leads to complex contractual debates compared to clean SaaS pricing.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 7:24 Instant live breakdown of ACV and ICP sizing

Nathan instantly reverse-engineers the 70/30 SaaS split across 90 customers to determine exact $50k ACVs and ICP requirements.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Adam Baker's Background and Churnly's Rapid Growth 6113 Nathan opens by testing Adam's focus and immediately brings up market context with Paddle's acquisition of ProfitWell to gauge exit appetite.
Lessons Learned from the Early Sale of Blotter 5314 Nathan highlights customer concentration risks with 90 accounts yielding 6.5M ARR, prompting Adam to explain Churnly's high services-to-SaaS ratio.
Churnly's Revenue Split, Pricing Strategy, and Early Testing 7213 Nathan actively crunches the numbers on the fly, calculating that a 70 percent SaaS portion across 90 clients implies 50k ACVs and a 5 to 20M ARR ICP target.
Sponsor Break: Founderpath Valuation Tool 4313 Following the Founderpath ad, Nathan drills into DealPad's exact monetization model and monthly contract values.
DealPad's Rapid Outbound Go-To-Market Execution 6225 Nathan aggressively interrogates Adam's non-verbal cues about whether he is secretly sitting on a VC term sheet.
Co-Founder Search and Equity Partnership with Kim 6112 When Adam forgets the name of the co-founder platform (calling it Z Hawk), Nathan immediately identifies and provides the correct URL StartHawk.io.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Questions 2001 Standard rapid-fire Famous Five wrap-up with fast, collaborative Q&A.

Statements from this episode (10)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Baker: Churnly grew from $1.5M to $6M ARR in two years
“We went from a 1.5 million ARR to about six million ARR in, in that period.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 1:28
Disclosure
Baker retains 85% ownership of his bootstrapped SaaS platform Churnly.
“I own 85% of that business.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 1:53
What-if
Baker: Holding previous startup 5 more years would have 10xed valuation
“I exited my last company way too early. And I think if, and it haunts me a little bit, I think if I'd held on for another four or five years, I would have probably 10 X the valuation I got out of my last company.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 2:27
Disclosure
Baker: Churnly generates 70% from SaaS and 30% from services
“Typically though we're running about 70% ARR on SAS and then about 30% on one-time services to implement that.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 6:30
Insight
Baker: Pricing software on retained revenue causes messy contract disputes
“I think you then get into lots of contractual disputes and I've had this before where companies would then start to debate about, you know, who, how much revenue they've actually got from us or if they acquire an organization and their revenue ramps because of…”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 6:50
Disclosure
Baker: DealPad's average contract value is approximately $12,000 per year
“Average investment into DealPad is going to be somewhere around about the 12 K. So about a thousand bucks a month.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 11:49
Assertion Not checkable as stated
DealPad reaches approximately 100 active customers
“We're working at about a hundred at the moment.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 12:39
Disclosure
DealPad relies entirely on cold outbound sales over inbound marketing
“All outbound at the moment, we've not really focused on any inbound because for me, that was an investment. We weren't really sure what we need to produce to them, what would work. So we've just really focused on outbound.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 12:50
Disclosure
Baker plans to bootstrap DealPad to $10M ARR before raising VC
“If we can bootstrap this to ten million which is what my plan is AR then we might be able to make some different choices about, you know, rather than going out raising money, we could do it a different way.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 15:12
Disclosure
Baker split DealPad equity 50/50 with cofounder despite originating the concept.
“We decided to go fifty-fifty and, you know, despite it being my concept and something that I'd been using and I'd verified and I had the domain expertise, I wanted him to have 50% of this because I wanted him to feel that he had shared ownership.”
Adam Baker Jul 27, 2022 ▶ 17:11
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