Aug 8, 2022 · 26m · top-founders

How He Did $100m Secondary but also raised cash to buy a $5m+ ARR Competitor

Paroon Chadha · 16m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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OnBoard founder and CEO Parun Shada breaks down how the board governance software company scaled past $35 million ARR through 15 years of bootstrapped discipline, strategic partner buyouts, an eight-figure divestiture, and the acquisition of public-sector competitor eScribe.

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Nathan as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 1.9 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 3.1
05100:0010:0020:000:49–5:53 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Introducing Parun Shada and the Board Meeting Challenge Nathan calculates eScribe's likely ARR based on seat count and ACVs, while Parun cooperatively explains the strategic rationale and customer acquisition metrics.5:53–8:53 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Divesting Ensemble to Solidify Focus on Governance When Parun cites NDA limitations regarding the exact revenue from divesting Ensemble, Nathan swiftly reframes the question to focus on percentage of total company revenue.8:53–11:34 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Deconstructing the $100M Capital Round and Valuation Parun corrects Nathan's assumption that the $100M round was entirely secondary, explaining it combined primary, secondary, and M&A capital. Nathan then drills into valuation multiples.11:34–14:48 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 M&A Rollover Structures and Expanding Go-To-Market Teams Nathan presses on the rollover equity versus cash buyout structure for bootstrapped targets, and Parun breaks down his general rule of thumb and go-to-market hiring.14:51–19:48 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Sponsor Advertisement: Collide Device Security Nathan constructs a synthesized deal valuation model based on previous clues, and calculates the combined ARR trajectory toward thirty-five million dollars.19:48–22:04 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Fifteen Years Bootstrapped and Buying Out Early Partners Parun narrates the unique cap table history of using debt and cash flow to buy out two early partners to reach single-cell ownership before taking PE capital.22:04–23:45 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Two Decades of Leadership and Long-Term Ownership When Nathan asks Parun for his current personal equity percentage, Parun attempts to hedge, leading Nathan to playfully call him out for dodging the question.0:49–5:53 · Guest teaching 1/10 Introducing Parun Shada and the Board Meeting Challenge Nathan calculates eScribe's likely ARR based on seat count and ACVs, while Parun cooperatively explains the strategic rationale and customer acquisition metrics.5:53–8:53 · Guest teaching 1/10 Divesting Ensemble to Solidify Focus on Governance When Parun cites NDA limitations regarding the exact revenue from divesting Ensemble, Nathan swiftly reframes the question to focus on percentage of total company revenue.8:53–11:34 · Guest teaching 4/10 Deconstructing the $100M Capital Round and Valuation Parun corrects Nathan's assumption that the $100M round was entirely secondary, explaining it combined primary, secondary, and M&A capital. Nathan then drills into valuation multiples.11:34–14:48 · Guest teaching 2/10 M&A Rollover Structures and Expanding Go-To-Market Teams Nathan presses on the rollover equity versus cash buyout structure for bootstrapped targets, and Parun breaks down his general rule of thumb and go-to-market hiring.14:51–19:48 · Guest teaching 2/10 Sponsor Advertisement: Collide Device Security Nathan constructs a synthesized deal valuation model based on previous clues, and calculates the combined ARR trajectory toward thirty-five million dollars.19:48–22:04 · Guest teaching 2/10 Fifteen Years Bootstrapped and Buying Out Early Partners Parun narrates the unique cap table history of using debt and cash flow to buy out two early partners to reach single-cell ownership before taking PE capital.22:04–23:45 · Guest teaching 1/10 Two Decades of Leadership and Long-Term Ownership When Nathan asks Parun for his current personal equity percentage, Parun attempts to hedge, leading Nathan to playfully call him out for dodging the question.0:49–5:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Introducing Parun Shada and the Board Meeting Challenge Nathan calculates eScribe's likely ARR based on seat count and ACVs, while Parun cooperatively explains the strategic rationale and customer acquisition metrics.5:53–8:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Divesting Ensemble to Solidify Focus on Governance When Parun cites NDA limitations regarding the exact revenue from divesting Ensemble, Nathan swiftly reframes the question to focus on percentage of total company revenue.8:53–11:34 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Deconstructing the $100M Capital Round and Valuation Parun corrects Nathan's assumption that the $100M round was entirely secondary, explaining it combined primary, secondary, and M&A capital. Nathan then drills into valuation multiples.11:34–14:48 · Guest disagreement 1/10 M&A Rollover Structures and Expanding Go-To-Market Teams Nathan presses on the rollover equity versus cash buyout structure for bootstrapped targets, and Parun breaks down his general rule of thumb and go-to-market hiring.14:51–19:48 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Sponsor Advertisement: Collide Device Security Nathan constructs a synthesized deal valuation model based on previous clues, and calculates the combined ARR trajectory toward thirty-five million dollars.19:48–22:04 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Fifteen Years Bootstrapped and Buying Out Early Partners Parun narrates the unique cap table history of using debt and cash flow to buy out two early partners to reach single-cell ownership before taking PE capital.22:04–23:45 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Two Decades of Leadership and Long-Term Ownership When Nathan asks Parun for his current personal equity percentage, Parun attempts to hedge, leading Nathan to playfully call him out for dodging the question.0:49–5:53 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Introducing Parun Shada and the Board Meeting Challenge Nathan calculates eScribe's likely ARR based on seat count and ACVs, while Parun cooperatively explains the strategic rationale and customer acquisition metrics.5:53–8:53 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Divesting Ensemble to Solidify Focus on Governance When Parun cites NDA limitations regarding the exact revenue from divesting Ensemble, Nathan swiftly reframes the question to focus on percentage of total company revenue.8:53–11:34 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Deconstructing the $100M Capital Round and Valuation Parun corrects Nathan's assumption that the $100M round was entirely secondary, explaining it combined primary, secondary, and M&A capital. Nathan then drills into valuation multiples.11:34–14:48 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 M&A Rollover Structures and Expanding Go-To-Market Teams Nathan presses on the rollover equity versus cash buyout structure for bootstrapped targets, and Parun breaks down his general rule of thumb and go-to-market hiring.14:51–19:48 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Sponsor Advertisement: Collide Device Security Nathan constructs a synthesized deal valuation model based on previous clues, and calculates the combined ARR trajectory toward thirty-five million dollars.19:48–22:04 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Fifteen Years Bootstrapped and Buying Out Early Partners Parun narrates the unique cap table history of using debt and cash flow to buy out two early partners to reach single-cell ownership before taking PE capital.22:04–23:45 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Two Decades of Leadership and Long-Term Ownership When Nathan asks Parun for his current personal equity percentage, Parun attempts to hedge, leading Nathan to playfully call him out for dodging the question.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 43.9% · guest 56.1%0:00 · Nathan 43.9% · guest 56.1%3:00 · Nathan 25.9% · guest 74.1%3:00 · Nathan 25.9% · guest 74.1%6:00 · Nathan 21.1% · guest 78.9%6:00 · Nathan 21.1% · guest 78.9%9:00 · Nathan 18.9% · guest 81.1%9:00 · Nathan 18.9% · guest 81.1%12:00 · Nathan 17.7% · guest 82.3%12:00 · Nathan 17.7% · guest 82.3%15:00 · Nathan 51.1% · guest 48.9%15:00 · Nathan 51.1% · guest 48.9%18:00 · Nathan 22.6% · guest 77.4%18:00 · Nathan 22.6% · guest 77.4%21:00 · Nathan 24.5% · guest 75.5%21:00 · Nathan 24.5% · guest 75.5%24:00 · Nathan 35.6% · guest 64.4%24:00 · Nathan 35.6% · guest 64.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:02 Parun rejects secondary round premise

Parun directly interrupts and corrects Nathan's characterization of their hundred million dollar financing as pure secondary liquidity.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 23:21 Nathan calls out Parun's equity dodge

Nathan refuses to accept Parun's vague non-answer about his personal equity stake, explicitly highlighting that Parun dodged the question.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:02 Parun educates on round allocation

Parun educates Nathan on how the capital was allocated across primary growth balance sheet, acquisition cash for eScribe, and secondary liquidity.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 18:42 Nathan models $30M+ run rate from past metrics

Nathan combines historical customer numbers, ACVs, and the newly disclosed eScribe acquisition data to accurately calculate Parun's ARR run rate.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Parun Shada and the Board Meeting Challenge 5112 Nathan calculates eScribe's likely ARR based on seat count and ACVs, while Parun cooperatively explains the strategic rationale and customer acquisition metrics.
Divesting Ensemble to Solidify Focus on Governance 4114 When Parun cites NDA limitations regarding the exact revenue from divesting Ensemble, Nathan swiftly reframes the question to focus on percentage of total company revenue.
Deconstructing the $100M Capital Round and Valuation 5424 Parun corrects Nathan's assumption that the $100M round was entirely secondary, explaining it combined primary, secondary, and M&A capital. Nathan then drills into valuation multiples.
M&A Rollover Structures and Expanding Go-To-Market Teams 4213 Nathan presses on the rollover equity versus cash buyout structure for bootstrapped targets, and Parun breaks down his general rule of thumb and go-to-market hiring.
Sponsor Advertisement: Collide Device Security 6213 Nathan constructs a synthesized deal valuation model based on previous clues, and calculates the combined ARR trajectory toward thirty-five million dollars.
Fifteen Years Bootstrapped and Buying Out Early Partners 3211 Parun narrates the unique cap table history of using debt and cash flow to buy out two early partners to reach single-cell ownership before taking PE capital.
Two Decades of Leadership and Long-Term Ownership 4125 When Nathan asks Parun for his current personal equity percentage, Parun attempts to hedge, leading Nathan to playfully call him out for dodging the question.

Statements from this episode (17)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: OnBoard has surpassed 3,000 customers
“We've grown past 3000 at this point.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 2:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: OnBoard adds 80 to 100 new customers monthly
“And we are adding about, you know I'd say about 80 to a hundred customers a month. That's the clip that we are operating at.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 2:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: eScribe's pre-acquisition ACV was around $20K to $25K
“They are actually higher. So if you think of a city council, there's often, you know, a much bigger number of people involved, some more subscribers their you know, average contract you know, pre-transaction was right around 20, 25.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 3:56
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: eScribe had about 400 customers when acquired
“They had about 400 customers and change.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 5:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: eScribe was doing $5M to $10M in revenue at acquisition
“Yeah, I know. I would say, you know, just short of that, but yeah, that was sort of the revenue range. You know, they were in the five to ten million range, but I don't know the exact specific number this time, but yeah.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 5:42
Disclosure
Shada: OnBoard sold Ensemble for an eight-figure sum
“No, I think we sold in November. I was a good time. Actually, it was actually, it was certainly, you know you know, it was eight figures. It was actually a good transaction.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 7:33
Disclosure
Shada: Ensemble generated under $10M ARR prior to sale
“Ensemble had you know, I don't know if I'm you know, if I should disclose the revenue, but it was actually, the range was less than ten million.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 7:48
Disclosure
Shada: Ensemble made up roughly 25% of OnBoard's revenue
“Ensemble was, you know, about, I would say, 25, 25% of our revenue, and when we swapped out Ensemble for Eastcry, we are actually, you know, further ahead.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 8:17
Disclosure
Shada: OnBoard's $100M round combined primary capital and secondary liquidity
“It was not a hundred million secondary. It was actually primary and secondary combined. It was actually a hundred million dollar round. Some of that capital was used for this acquisition. Some of that capital was secondary. Some of that capital actually wen…”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 9:03
Disclosure
Shada: Less than $50M of OnBoard's $100M raise was secondary
“Less than 50, yes.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 9:30
Assertion Supported
Shada: eScribe Was Largely Bootstrapped Prior to Acquisition
“Oh, it was actually really some angels, but it was bootstrapped. Yeah, largely bootstrapped.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 11:41
Insight
Shada: Bootstrapped founders should cash out half their equity in M&A deals
“A good rule of thumb is, you know, you take half off and then, you know, in the new combined entity, you are back on the schedule to get some more options. So you are actually back in the Western schedule.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 12:59
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Shada: OnBoard targets close to 50% growth rate for the year
“So we'll, we'll actually really end you know, close to 50% growth rate for the year. If the rest of the plan year checks out”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 18:24
Disclosure
Shada: OnBoard is past $30M run rate, targeting up to $37M
“That is accurate. And, you know, ending the year you know, of course with a few big months, end of the year accurately, you know, we could get to numbers that are higher than, you know, closer towards 35, 37.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 19:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shada: OnBoard was bootstrapped and profitable for 15 years
“Completely bootstrapped. Ran a profit for, believe it or not, 15 years.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 19:59
Disclosure
Shada: He bought out all early partners to own 100% of OnBoard
“And eventually there came a time when there was no cap table. There was just a single cell. I owned all of it.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 21:16
Insight
Shada: Founders in evergreen spaces should build to own forever
“Investors will come and go if you find yourself in an evergreen space. Keep building like you're going to own this forever because you just might.”
Paroon Chadha Aug 8, 2022 ▶ 22:58
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