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Oct 30, 2022 · 16m · top-founders

How we bootstrapped to $1m in ARR using services, now high multiple SaaS

Jonathan Fishbeck · 14m spoken Nathan Latka · 51s spoken
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At the Founder 500 conference, EstateSpace founder Jonathan Fischbeck explains how he salvaged a distressed estate services company and successfully bootstrapped its transition into a scalable, high-margin SaaS platform.

How this conversation actually went

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Nathan as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.0 Nathan pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:000:26–3:11 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Promotion for GetLatka SaaS Intelligence Database Nathan Latka introduces the Founder 500 conference presentation and delivers an ad read for GetLatka before Jonathan Fischbeck takes the stage to thank FounderPath.3:12–5:58 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Identifying the Market Problem and Opportunity Jonathan delivers a solo conference presentation discussing his background in high-end construction management and discovering a market vacuum for estate software.5:59–8:39 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Hitting Rock Bottom and Rebooting the Product Jonathan explains hitting rock bottom in June 2019 with zero revenue and no working beta, leading to a disciplined product reboot focused strictly on property management.8:40–11:06 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Downsizing and Restructuring Debt into Equity Jonathan details downsizing from 29 employees to 6 and leveraging an IRS contribution rule with his father to convert $4.3M in debt into equity.11:07–13:34 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Capital Management and Bootstrapped Growth Projections Jonathan wraps up his presentation outlining capital management, projected profitability of $5-6M by 2025, and advice for fellow bootstrapped founders.0:26–3:11 · Guest teaching 0/10 Promotion for GetLatka SaaS Intelligence Database Nathan Latka introduces the Founder 500 conference presentation and delivers an ad read for GetLatka before Jonathan Fischbeck takes the stage to thank FounderPath.3:12–5:58 · Guest teaching 0/10 Identifying the Market Problem and Opportunity Jonathan delivers a solo conference presentation discussing his background in high-end construction management and discovering a market vacuum for estate software.5:59–8:39 · Guest teaching 0/10 Hitting Rock Bottom and Rebooting the Product Jonathan explains hitting rock bottom in June 2019 with zero revenue and no working beta, leading to a disciplined product reboot focused strictly on property management.8:40–11:06 · Guest teaching 0/10 Downsizing and Restructuring Debt into Equity Jonathan details downsizing from 29 employees to 6 and leveraging an IRS contribution rule with his father to convert $4.3M in debt into equity.11:07–13:34 · Guest teaching 0/10 Capital Management and Bootstrapped Growth Projections Jonathan wraps up his presentation outlining capital management, projected profitability of $5-6M by 2025, and advice for fellow bootstrapped founders.0:26–3:11 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Promotion for GetLatka SaaS Intelligence Database Nathan Latka introduces the Founder 500 conference presentation and delivers an ad read for GetLatka before Jonathan Fischbeck takes the stage to thank FounderPath.3:12–5:58 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Identifying the Market Problem and Opportunity Jonathan delivers a solo conference presentation discussing his background in high-end construction management and discovering a market vacuum for estate software.5:59–8:39 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Hitting Rock Bottom and Rebooting the Product Jonathan explains hitting rock bottom in June 2019 with zero revenue and no working beta, leading to a disciplined product reboot focused strictly on property management.8:40–11:06 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Downsizing and Restructuring Debt into Equity Jonathan details downsizing from 29 employees to 6 and leveraging an IRS contribution rule with his father to convert $4.3M in debt into equity.11:07–13:34 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Capital Management and Bootstrapped Growth Projections Jonathan wraps up his presentation outlining capital management, projected profitability of $5-6M by 2025, and advice for fellow bootstrapped founders.0:26–3:11 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Promotion for GetLatka SaaS Intelligence Database Nathan Latka introduces the Founder 500 conference presentation and delivers an ad read for GetLatka before Jonathan Fischbeck takes the stage to thank FounderPath.3:12–5:58 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Identifying the Market Problem and Opportunity Jonathan delivers a solo conference presentation discussing his background in high-end construction management and discovering a market vacuum for estate software.5:59–8:39 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Hitting Rock Bottom and Rebooting the Product Jonathan explains hitting rock bottom in June 2019 with zero revenue and no working beta, leading to a disciplined product reboot focused strictly on property management.8:40–11:06 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Downsizing and Restructuring Debt into Equity Jonathan details downsizing from 29 employees to 6 and leveraging an IRS contribution rule with his father to convert $4.3M in debt into equity.11:07–13:34 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Capital Management and Bootstrapped Growth Projections Jonathan wraps up his presentation outlining capital management, projected profitability of $5-6M by 2025, and advice for fellow bootstrapped founders.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 8:00 Calling custom service work the enemy

In a solo presentation setting, Jonathan emphatically rejects the custom services model, describing bespoke requests as a slippery slope that caused them to face-plant.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 0:10 Mandating revenue artifacts from speakers

Nathan establishes strict expectations for the event, insisting every founder showcase real revenue graphs and raw metrics rather than vague claims.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:25 IRS debt restructuring mechanism

Jonathan educates the audience on how he converted $4.3M of debt into equity as a non-taxable family contribution.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 0:30 Promoting the GetLatka database repository

Nathan demonstrates his domain authority by highlighting the extensive GetLatka database covering thousands of SaaS metrics and valuations.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Promotion for GetLatka SaaS Intelligence Database 0000 Nathan Latka introduces the Founder 500 conference presentation and delivers an ad read for GetLatka before Jonathan Fischbeck takes the stage to thank FounderPath.
Identifying the Market Problem and Opportunity 0000 Jonathan delivers a solo conference presentation discussing his background in high-end construction management and discovering a market vacuum for estate software.
Hitting Rock Bottom and Rebooting the Product 0000 Jonathan explains hitting rock bottom in June 2019 with zero revenue and no working beta, leading to a disciplined product reboot focused strictly on property management.
Downsizing and Restructuring Debt into Equity 0000 Jonathan details downsizing from 29 employees to 6 and leveraging an IRS contribution rule with his father to convert $4.3M in debt into equity.
Capital Management and Bootstrapped Growth Projections 0000 Jonathan wraps up his presentation outlining capital management, projected profitability of $5-6M by 2025, and advice for fellow bootstrapped founders.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace generated $2.1M in service revenue before SaaS pivot
“We were doing about 2.1 million in service revenue.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 2:26
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: Construction business generated $15 million annually before EstateSpace
“And at that time we were doing fifteen million dollars a year, so a lot of people would ask me why I moved back into technology out of construction, right? I could have retired when I was 33, but, you know, my wife told me I'd be bored for the rest of my life,…”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 3:58
Disclosure
Fischbeck: EstateSpace banned custom software in favor of configurable SaaS
“We didn't, so custom became a swear word in our company, right? You could only be configurable.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 5:41
Disclosure
EstateSpace had zero SaaS customers and no revenue on June 4, 2019
“June of 2019, June fourth, I know the day I'm broke. We have, you know, zero real SaaS customers. We're beta-less at the time, so I didn't even have a product that somebody could use. And we had no revenue, right? We're bleeding and we're bootstrapped.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 6:07
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace Cut Team From 29 to Six People
“I had 29 people. I had to fire everyone down to six, two of them in the back of the room with us still right now to this day.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 8:46
Assertion Not checkable as stated
EstateSpace converted $4.3M in family debt into 8.5% equity tax-free
“We converted 4.3 million dollars of debt into eight and a half percent equity. Because Ron is my father and I'm his son the IRS saw that this could have just been simply a contribution.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 9:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace converted $4.23M in contracts to equity at $17M valuation
“We converted 4.23 million dollars of service contracts into equity. We increased evaluation to 17 pre-money when we did that, so I've still been able to hold on to about 55% of the company to this point.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 11:12
Assertion Partly supported
EstateSpace secured $1M in SBA COVID relief despite mass layoffs
“COVID, it gave us almost a million dollars in free money, so We had a lot of people pre-COVID. We let them all go, but the way that they looked, the SBA looked at that was that, okay, they counted us for the 2018, 2019 time when we had a lot of employees, so w…”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 11:29
Disclosure
Fischbeck: EstateSpace faces $880K 12-month shortfall after $775K insider capital injection
“I put in another 500, our shareholders put in another two 75, and now we're to the point where we've got about an 880 K shortfall between now and the next 12 months, and we're gonna bridge that through shareholder milestones.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 11:48
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace projects $5M to $6M in profits in 2025
“Our burn rate, it's gonna be close to about four million dollars, and we're gonna see somewhere around five to six million dollars in, in performance and profits in twenty-twenty-five”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 12:00
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace Will Reach $1M ARR in 12 Months
“I don't know where we'll be in the next 12 months, but I do know that we'll hit a million in ARR.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 15:07
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace Needs 4,500 Members to Reach Cash Flow Positive
“We only need to get to 4500 members, and we're cash flow positive, right?”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 15:27
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fischbeck: EstateSpace Aims for 50,000 Members and $27M in 3 Years
“So we hit, you know, 45, 50,000 members over the course of the next three years, which is our goal. You know, we're a twenty seven million dollar company, and we're SaaS, so we're killing it.”
Jonathan Fishbeck Oct 30, 2022 ▶ 15:33
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